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Adharaguy
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 16:49
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Hello guys.... every people nows that the eq process is one of the most important to get a good quality song, and i thing this forum needs a place were we cant talk about the tips and experience, because every people needs that, and we can group in this topic everything about this subject. I'm sorry not put any tips to begin this topic because is a process where i'm not experience and i dont want to say "stupid" thing's.... the only thing i can say is that the eq is one of the principal process to make good trance.
What we gain with great musicaly if we dont have the quality we need to pass to the other stage.....the professional stage???!!! |
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 19:44
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I suggest everyone read the tutorial by Hipnotic called Thinking Inside The Box (Google it). It really made a huge difference to my sound and explains thing so simply and powerfully. I'm waiting for his compression follow-up.
My workflow is to write and arrange, mixing and provisionally EQuing each sound as I go along. After that's done, I'll add compressors to the sounds that need it and then tweak the EQ to compensate if it's needed. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 20:34
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On 2007-08-06 16:49, Adharaguy wrote:
Hello guys.... every people nows that the eq process is one of the most important to get a good quality song
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I can't really agree with that.
Try making a track without using EQ some time and instead make sure you get the source sounds right to start with...I think for a lot of beginners they would get better sound that way.
With electronic music you have really good control over your source sounds so there is many times very little need for EQ.
I would agree though that spectral balance is probably the most important element when it comes to the quality of a mix, but IMO EQ is mainly an emergency tool to achieve that balance when you couldn't get it right at the source.
Sure I also use EQ in about 15-20% of the tracks of a project, and there are plenty of room for a discussion about that...I just like to point out that EQ is not a means to an end in itself.
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 22:21
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EQ it at the source, EQ it with an equalizer - either way you're using your ears.
Tip: train your ears. Sit with a spectrum analyzer and an EQ and sweep over sounds with a boost. Note what certain frequency ranges sound like. Get a feel for subs, a taste for mids, and an ear for 12k. Listen to your favorite tracks while cutting various frequencies.
The more you do this, the more sensitive you can train your ears to be, the easier and more naturally you will balance your spectrum.
And ask yourself - would Van Gogh have left a big white empty spot on a painting? Would he have painted several subjects all the in the same space (thus overlapping and covering them with each other)?
It's all about good ears.
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Adharaguy
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 23:40
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ok... but one thing...for example how you can make good bass without eq.... i try it with taupro but is never looks great.... I understand yours point of view and i go try it....use the less eq possible.....eq is just a way to make litte adjust.... |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 23:51
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ok... but one thing...for example how you can make good bass without eq.... |
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Uh... a specially designed synthesizer to make psytrance basslines without EQ
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just use EQ.
I couldn't imagine working on a bassline without EQ on it - kick and bass are an exception (kind of) to the 'get it right at the source without EQing' philosophy. You should always get your bass as close as possible without EQ, but nothing is going to give you the growl of a properly placed notch cut EQ in the 250Hz range. I guess a notch-cut filter could, but that's twelve one way and a dozen the other. Same thing.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 00:36
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I nowadays only patches made with Adern Flexor for Scope for bass.
I don't know why, but when it comes to VST's I've been finding it hard to get a sound I'm happy with when I've been trying, so there I don't really have any advice.
With the patch I'm using I do try sometimes to EQ and compress, but to my ears the best sound from it is always unprocessed.
Apart from getting a synth that just sounds good as it is it's also important to get the right root note to get the bass to peak in the region where you like to have it.
Don't get fooled into thinking that all basses can gain from a cut in that region or a boost in another one....different instrument on different settings playing different notes will give a different frequency response.
With the right combination of the above you can for sure get really good basses, and it's not a universal syndrome that all synths always have too much content around 250Hz and hence need a notch filter there and that no synth makers thought about making a "growl" button to apply that universal cure to the problems of bass synthesis.
If it seems like all sounds gain from the same treatment you are probably compensating for a room problem.
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Tomos
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 00:50
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In my experience, EQ is almost entirely pointless if you haven't got your room sorted out. As soon as I put foam in mine it had a massive impact on my sound.
When you learn to DJ, there comes a magic day when your brain has been "re-trained" to analyse the BPM of 2 songs at once and it all seems so simple, how could you have failed to mix all the times before!
The same applies to EQ, you get better over time and your ears begin to hear the frequencys sounds are made up from. It comes with practice and there are no shortcuts, templates or formulas to good EQ.
This learning process goes hand-in-hand with selecting sounds for your song, you don't only choose what you like, as much as you instinctively choose what fits as well. |
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 00:52
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eq is very relative to the origin of the sound u use.. as well to what u want to achieve.
all i can say without listen to specific sample , is use your ears on good monitors and a nice acoustic room 99% u get great mix 
now , think , what u dont have from the list ?
acoustics is not too expensive and there is alot of info in the net about DIY.
good monitors are question of price.if u lucky to live in europe its fairly cheap to get great monitors.
ears , well , if u dont have ears...  not much i can help here...
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 00:52
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On 2007-08-06 20:34, Spindrift wrote:
I would agree though that spectral balance is probably the most important element when it comes to the quality of a mix, but IMO EQ is mainly an emergency tool to achieve that balance when you couldn't get it right at the source.
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TRUE.
keeps being said, but no one here seems to listen
btw, good to see you back in isra 
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Spiral Cosmos
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 22:27
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Pay attention in the frequency response, that's the secret of a good EQ. Try to make a track using the elements to fill all of frequencies. For exemple, a lead in the high freq and other one in a medium freq. Thats not an universal rule, I just like to think about using the complete frequency response.
To low some freq. or do a gain in others, there's some plugins patches like WAVES, VOXENGO, TC NATIVE WORKS, everyone has a preferency. I just like to use Quadrafuzz and Eqium(Elemental Plugins), they are the ones who fill my needs.
Read about it, there's some stuf here in the forum, but try to make some tests... Try, try, try, try... Try all possibilities, that's how you're gonna learn!
And finally, the most important thing to make a good eq. is called Studio Monitors! Use your good sense with good monitors and your tracks will be fine! |
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technomedics
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Posted : Aug 12, 2007 17:37
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On 2007-08-06 19:44, Chemogen wrote:
I suggest everyone read the tutorial by Hipnotic called Thinking Inside The Box (Google it). It really made a huge difference to my sound and explains thing so simply and powerfully. I'm waiting for his compression follow-up.
My workflow is to write and arrange, mixing and provisionally EQuing each sound as I go along. After that's done, I'll add compressors to the sounds that need it and then tweak the EQ to compensate if it's needed.
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that's a great article - thanks for sharing. i'll reread this article before my next mixdown
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galactic monkey
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 13:46
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hey cheers for this bro and keep us posted on the compression
peace!
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