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Elad
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Posted : Sep 9, 2006 04:14
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try to mix your kick @ -7db , and hihats @ -23db. that create alot of space to have the right dynamic. ofter master i like it very compressed - rms -10db 
but very very carefull , never let compression to make sounds disapear when other sound kick in.. this aint so simple to achieve with this harsh mastering.multiband properly , on good mix , can do it ok.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Sep 9, 2006 12:37
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On 2006-09-09 04:10, djzed wrote:
This is obviously very subjective, we cannot really say that a track is objectively "easier to listen to".
Now I am by no means an expert in mastering, but I have spent time with a few mastering engineers (and good ones to) and what I understood from them is that generally a smaller dynamic range makes your track more comfortable on the ear. This makes sense to me because if you have a wider dynamic range there might be parts that you cannot hear as well, so you'll crank up the volume.
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Having parts disappear unless you crank up the volume is a mix problem not a mastering one. Its true that we are used to some degree of compression in modern music, but the idea that we should be reducing the dynamic range as little as possible goes against just about every bit of recording theory I've ever learned.
I'm sure many of you have read this already, but this article is a good primer on some of the problems involved with squashing mixes to say the -10 db range or worse.
http://prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Sep 9, 2006 21:30
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Thats a great article, it really explained a few things to me.
I have another question though, if clipping the audio signal is done simply with a limiter, what is the process of softclipping? How is it done?
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 01:06
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Please some answers... I really want to understand this.
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the daleks
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 09:47
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>jikkenteki
thats a great article explaining the compression race since the late 90's. songs keep getting hotter and hotter with reduced dynamic ranges. goes against the way it should be, but does seem to be a trend, especially in electronic music. compromise ala counterparts is the best way to go, i think
Bob Katz also complains about it in Mastering Audio
>Dark Dork
soft clipping as opposed to limiting cuts peaks out of the waveform to allow the overall level to be raised, while reducing distortion that would normally occur (square waves) ; limiting does not cut the peaks, rather squashes down like a compressor. some limiters offer hard and soft clipping however
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EelezDyzer
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Posted : Oct 5, 2006 11:57
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just want to subscrite to that thread, didn't know how to do it in any other way ... |
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Cannabis
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Posted : Oct 5, 2006 18:49
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On 2006-10-05 11:57, EelezDyzer wrote:
just want to subscrite to that thread, didn't know how to do it in any other way ...
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 7, 2006 05:46
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Domi
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Posted : Oct 8, 2006 12:14
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 11, 2006 17:59
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On 2006-07-08 15:40, shamantrixx wrote:
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On 2006-07-04 13:44, br0d wrote:
...it costs twice as much to amp in stereo.
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No it doesn't, but it doesn't change the fact the most club indeed are in mono.
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imagine a large club with stereo sound and a track with a synth pad gated with stereo gate so that every 16th changes from left to right while other side is muted. In the center of the club you would hear it properly but if you end up in left or right corner you'd hear just a half of the synth. Open-closed hi hat could also be iritating if paned wide etc.
When you set up a mono sound every place in the club gets the same sound and visitors can enjoy music even in far corners of the club. Only 10 % of clubbers who stand in the middle of the club expirience a downside of mono system. Other 90 % actually benefit from it.
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I was at the Gaian Mind Summer Festival this summer, they had 6+ sets of speakers surrounding the "stone circle" (dance floor), so i'm sure mono doesn't apply to situations like this either..if the club has more than 2 sets of speakers, stereo isn't a good thing to do. As the ppl above said, stereo is only good if YOU'RE in the middle.
..and as far as compressor EQ chains, my chain is usually :
Level Meter (Doesn't do anything, just for a visual to mix the track to) -> EQ -> Compressor/Limiter
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Cannabis
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Posted : Oct 11, 2006 19:35
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I was at the Gaian Mind Summer Festival this summer, they had 6+ sets of speakers surrounding the "stone circle" (dance floor), so i'm sure mono doesn't apply to situations like this either..if the club has more than 2 sets of speakers, stereo isn't a good thing to do. As the ppl above said, stereo is only good if YOU'RE in the middle.
..and as far as compressor EQ chains, my chain is usually :
Level Meter (Doesn't do anything, just for a visual to mix the track to) -> EQ -> Compressor/Limiter
(all VSTi)
peace
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You put level meter b4 dynamics?11:-I
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 19:48
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I was at the Gaian Mind Summer Festival this summer, they had 6+ sets of speakers surrounding the "stone circle" (dance floor), so i'm sure mono doesn't apply to situations like this either..if the club has more than 2 sets of speakers, stereo isn't a good thing to do. As the ppl above said, stereo is only good if YOU'RE in the middle.
..and as far as compressor EQ chains, my chain is usually :
Level Meter (Doesn't do anything, just for a visual to mix the track to) -> EQ -> Compressor/Limiter
(all VSTi)
peace
-qane
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You put level meter b4 dynamics?11:-I
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I put in one before the chain and one after.. |
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xaBBu
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 22:05
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Bob Katz also complains about it in Mastering Audio
>Dark Dork
soft clipping as opposed to limiting cuts peaks out of the waveform to allow the overall level to be raised, while reducing distortion that would normally occur (square waves) ; limiting does not cut the peaks, rather squashes down like a compressor. some limiters offer hard and soft clipping however
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Yeah , something to add (correct me pls, if I am wrong)...
Human brain is not made for "processing" really sharp transients (really short peaks in a sound = high frequ content in the peak for a very short time)... it is less sensitive to volume changes in these very short transients. This psychoacoustic fact is being used by most state of the art limiters (Waves , Voxengo etc.). They actually reduce the strongness of these short transients, as you brain will continue to give you the illusion of em still being there. This means that with less maximum peak levels you can raise the overall level of the track. Actually a very simple limiting algorithm would be:
-- look for the max level of the tracks.
-- look for the shortest transients in these parts.
-- normalize these occurences into a lower range compare to the track, but leave all other transients untouched.
-- afterwards normalize whole track to final lvl.
Modern limiters though do some more sophisticated algorithms in finding the short transients and normalizing the track.
That is also why there is no "perfect" preset for limiters... it all depends on the transients which your track has. So best bet for limiting is to trust your ears if the mix gets squashed by the limiter.
Also be sure to read the Waves Maximizers (L series) documentation... it explains it well... |
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 02:03
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On 2006-10-08 12:14, Domi wrote:
hey there !
anybodey has some nice tipps on eq- ing ??
awesome thread, learnd a lot of news.
peace !
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as a matter of fact , yes
EQ
there are many methods and ways to do all that here is short browse on some of it as i see it throu my unacoustic room and cheap monitors..
baisicly you can devide it like this
sub - all freq up to 50hz , 63hz (humm)
bass - 63hz - 200hz , 250hz (booo)
low mid - 250 - 500hz , 700hz (chest)
mid - 500hz - 1500hz (precense)
high mid 1500hz - 4000hz (clearity)
high 4000hz - 8000hz (trebele)
ultrasonic - 8000hz and over - (air)
hope it helps , and play with crossover freqs till you find what you like
i learned you better cut mostly other then boost wich allow if needed , but make sure its not better to remove other freqs and turn volume up
special trix
kick , 500hz makes hell of diffrence (i like almost none)
bass , 125hz , 250hz (again none , but just one of those)
hihats , hipass filter can be around 700hz for most other sounds around 200hz-400hz
try to nerrow each sound to maximum thin with bp filter , without ruin it , makes very easy mixing. remove ends is important , you sont want any high resonance scream on pa makes peaple go deaf..
also hipass very omportant if you dont wanna play in club and hear only boooooooo
beside , expiriment
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Blizzard
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Some tips:
When you EQ, close your eyes, dont look at the screen!!!
Dont EQ when instruments are in solo, EQ in context.
Check your mix often in mono.
Check your mix with a lowpass filter turned down so you only hear the bass and kick.
If you are using a very long time to try to make a sound fit... Scrap it, it simply doesnt fit in that tune. Find another sound instead.
Dont use to much EQ and compressor, use automation instead if that can solve your problem.
Learn your DAWs Key commands.
Save often. VERY often.
Dont turn your monitors volume to high, you concentrate better on lower volumes and dont fatigue your ears so much.
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