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Elad
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Posted : May 6, 2008 06:10
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i hope you make the right dance move ! 
we need to arrange VS live set man , will be so easy to make it in 2 with 2 laptops , good simple life.. the outcome should still be music playing just as if each was alone..
this is why i think the "its not live" nazis are wrong when saying laptop is not instrument.. it can be better then hole orchestra with only 1 man if doing it right (and have monster cpu)
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geekhorde
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Posted : May 6, 2008 06:15
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Yes. Exactly.
I've got some experience performing live with Ableton, but it was ambient/abstractish/IDMy glitchy type stuff.
Hadn't even really considered playing any psychedelic trance stuff live. But of course, perhaps now I should reevaluate that. |
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brain on trouble
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Posted : May 7, 2008 12:24
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On 2008-05-06 01:41, Elad wrote:
i make best live show
play from laptop!@@
its new technology!!
with best program winamp - so much better sound then media player sure if you dont hear this you are death!
then i make with my hands in the air like the kick is coming from my finger !! and the bassline from my ass
i tell you no better live then this never also airguitar important and airdrums or if not the people not be dancing!!
also i have video player show me what move to make next for look like its the music i make from my finger 
also i have 2 naked chix with me nothing is better from psy bitches on stage evry body likes this so much
and sometime this asshole comes and ask where is the cable for the synth and then i piss off casue i dont like saying my act is not live he just understand wrong the show!
we are all alive dancers!
for bookings
danceshow@eskimo.dali
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are you jealous? 8D |
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Noisecycle
Noise Cycle
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Posted : May 7, 2008 12:37
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On 2008-05-05 19:04, mubali wrote:
Also I'm wondering if you can set up multiple midi channels to control knobs... so I could control more fx parameters and whatnot.
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Hi, sure there must be a way of doing this.
I use plogue bidule in combination of Ableton and it can do wonders in term of midi processing.
Nice post by the way! |
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Elad
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Posted : May 7, 2008 12:47
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On 2008-05-07 12:24, brain on trouble wrote:
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On 2008-05-06 01:41, Elad wrote:
i make best live show
play from laptop!@@
its new technology!!
with best program winamp - so much better sound then media player sure if you dont hear this you are death!
then i make with my hands in the air like the kick is coming from my finger !! and the bassline from my ass
i tell you no better live then this never also airguitar important and airdrums or if not the people not be dancing!!
also i have video player show me what move to make next for look like its the music i make from my finger
also i have 2 naked chix with me nothing is better from psy bitches on stage evry body likes this so much
and sometime this asshole comes and ask where is the cable for the synth and then i piss off casue i dont like saying my act is not live he just understand wrong the show!
we are all alive dancers!
for bookings
danceshow@eskimo.dali
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are you jealous? 8D
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intresting first post
are you dali???
have you opened isra user just to ask that?? hehehe
no im not jealous in people i make fun of , i actually laugh on them since i believe they are ridicules , specialy dali , the rest is funny but not as hilarious. if you pretend atleasy try to stay on the beat and not just be random. the part with her running from drums to synth to the mixer and doing NOTHING on evry single one of those is simply to insult the people who paid for the show
come on , anyone can do it , its easier then actualy make music hey!
im actualy jealous in people that already have really good laptop and soundcard and can really preform with THEIR OWN MUSIC LIVE.
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Mesq
Reality Pixie
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Posted : May 7, 2008 13:17
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On 2008-05-07 12:47, Elad wrote:
are you jealous? 8D
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intresting first post
are you dali???
have you opened isra user just to ask that?? hehehe
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If you are dali...Will you marry me??
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Kitnam
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Posted : May 7, 2008 15:30
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i seperate my songs into 2 tracks -> rythm and the rest.
then i split everything into scenes/bars (some very short ones and some longer ones. depends on) everyone of them finishes into a loop.
the rest is lowcut/highcut, beatrepeat and send with rev. delay.
the delay is out of sync and the time and feedback is in my hand.
it would be nice to split the songs into maybe 4 different tracks but thats kinda impossible because i allready got very very busy with live arranging and effekt-tweaking and mixing 2 songs or more (=4 tracks or more) together.
beatrepeat is a real nice random-maschine sometimes. like playing roulette. i have the beatrepeat also totally free running and depends on how i tweak the controller (edirol). sometimes it can turn a song into a whole new direction and then you have to make the arrangement totally new to make it rolling. i dont wear headphones btw.
sure it all runs into compression/limiting. especially the delay needs to pre compressed otherwise it would totally jump out of the mix with free-controlled feedback.
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 09:25
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some pretty elaborate and inspiring setups on this page, but what about stability?
i just played a live this weekend, and running just a few tracks of audio on Live, and a Stylus RMX, and when trying to bring a new patttern into RMX, the screen freezes. Luckily Live kept putting out sound until the end of the set, (very cool (^^)b)but still enough to give me a few gray hairs...
sounds to me like some of you guys run some pretty risky setups.. have you ever had sound stop or problems?
now I don't want to dredge up the whole live/thats not live debate.. but I'm sure alot of experienced artists have tried all sorts of things, and just don't want to take chances, so have moved towards the simpler setups, maybe even to the point of running audio off of hardware like an ADAT(which I have seen before)
this year I had alot of problems with my Live set... running Logic had the audio stop a few times, causing me to develop a lighting quick space-bar pounce, but still sucking enough to be noticeable to the crowd. then this last weekend using Live on a PC.
i'm just sick of it.. to the point of running one stereo track with some midi, and not touching the computer, or even getting some hardware to run the audio
have you guys had these problems, and how do you cope, while still making an interesting worthy of the tag 'live' live?? Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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-aeon-
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 17:52
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*cross fingers* i have not had any 'major' huge disasters... althought i ALWAYS bring a backup CD to play incase my laptop freezes.
[edit: i have had some problems though. the main one is that with time Ableton seems to lose MIDI sync... about 45mins into my set latency gets huge, almost unplayable. this may be to do with heat as well! i am hoping that a new interface and DAW will get rid of this issue...]
since the first post i have changed things a bit, because i hurt my hand and had to have an operation so i couldn't play the violin  then i broke my violin.
the last gig i did i didn't take my laptop at all: i premixed all the tracks onto a CD, then took my Virus and just jammed synth lines over the top... it was really inspiring actually, good fun and sounded great i think.
on Monday i will get my violin back and can start playing properly again but i am moving away from Ableton... and have some new equipment.
my plan will be:
- laptop running REAPER
- behringer UMA25s (this is cheap-ass midi controller + soundcard in one little box!)
- electric violin + DI / distortion pedal
- modulation footpedal for midi controller
i will then load a whole bunch of my favourite patches into Zebra or Massive to jam on live. the violin will go straight into REAPER channels, with the modulation pedal controlling a software filter on the violin channels...
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Colin OOOD
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Spindrift
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Yes...one have to be very selective with plugs and I have not found Stylus stable enough to dare to use it live.
I tend to use mostly ableton plugs for live fx...they are light on resources and certainly very stable.
One thing about setting up windows for live use is that you can be quite extreme in your tweaking since you know precisely what tasks it will perform.
So use nLite to make a stripped down windows install without any unneeded services. For example I have 5 services running at startup...and that's with networking. Removing the explorer shell and only have live start at boot can be helpful as well.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 01:58
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Now I read the topic as well...very nice!!
I vote for sticky!
It's quite a while since I did a proper live and whenever I get a booking I usually confuse the hell out of organizers when I try to explain my terms.
Basically I dislike Live acts myself. They take way the focus from the dance floor and it just annoys me when I'm playing to not be allowed to play a track from someone else if I know it would fit perfectly.
So I ask three times as much for a Live set compared since it takes a lot of preparation and practice to make it worthwhile.
But I do think that my DJ sets is more live than 90% of the "live" acts I have seen at parties...and that's not me boosting, it just stating the sad state of affairs in the scene.
When I DJ I run Ableton which I control using a great little keypad (A4Tech X7 G100) I have been customizing and that gives me completely mouseless control.
I can browse and load audio to specific tracks, set and modify loop points, change tempo, trigger tracks, cueing, loops and fx...basically anything I could think of that I need control over.
Then I have a BCR2000 which I use for mixing and to control fx and filter.
I use four tracks and three of those have the same dedicated controls on the G100 and the BCR.
I have enough controls on the BCR to have dedicated controls for the following (all ableton effects/racks apart from glitch and supahtriggah):
Beat repeat
LPF
HPF
Phaser
BPF sweep effect
Fade To Grey
Redux
Grain Delay
Glitch
SupahTriggah
Chop
Chirp
3 band EQ with killswitches.
The fourth track is just used for FX and have only filters and aux controls.
So basically it's a 3.5 track DJ setup with lots of FX. But since the controls is set up in a way that is very fast and easy to use you can remix and mashup like a madman.
For a proper live set control over arrangements in realtime would be important for me. So if someone would like to pay my extortionate fee and I decided to prepare a set I would bounce down most of it as sections with audio grouped so I get a few tracks. Then stick those into session view and have an encoder to quickly scroll between sections and buttons to step up and down. Each each track then get a few different effects and filters.
Also what I have done in the past is to run Real03 (Scope device) as bass and control cutoff and res on that...since the bass is such an obvious part of a track it's nice when that is modulated live and sound a bit different from the original.
Then I use a couple of synths that I run live so they can be tweaked by picking a couple of leads from each track and then I try to recreate a similar sound to the one in the original using the selected synths.
In the end have a row of buttons set up to trigger a selection of loops and fx according to taste...voila!
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the daleks
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