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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 02:49
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I've asked on a mailing list which has quite a few digital audio gurus about this +0dB FS thing. I'll report back with what they have to say. 
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br0d
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 07:38
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On 2006-09-05 19:34, Jikkenteki wrote:
An old mixing technique I used to do a lot back in my analog band days that I've recently revived (and has improved my mixes a lot) is to do my first run through mixdown in mono, not stereo. Even try working the pan knobs while in mono. Once you have everything sounding good in mono, they open it back up to stereo and fine tune your mix.
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I recommend this too, I have a mono "B" routing in my studio and I check in mono constantly. Mike Stavrou also recommends it in his book "Mixing With Your Mind" and he goes into a bit more detail as to why it is useful. |
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br0d
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 07:42
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On 2006-09-07 01:55, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2006-09-07 00:57, john c wrote:
well we talked about this extensively in an older thread (too lazy to research this). I think we all agreed that in Cubase, past -6 on the master fader, u start losing bits and quality. |
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I thought we agreed that you can have the master fader wherever you like as long as it doesn't clip, and Cubase's 32-bit float audio engine will make sure your final mix is at 24-bit resolution wherever the fader is?
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It's not a matter of agreement so much as science, and I think we both have seen the technical explanation of the reasoning behind running the individual channels hot and the master not over at the cubase.net forums, and I for one am just too lazy/busy to dig it up  |
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shachar
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 12:36
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about mixing down does someone allready have found out how to split the track into different mixdown-channels by one click?
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If you work with Pulsar / luna soundcard and have the scope platforom you can split your track into diferent bus outputs and records it back to cubase into diferent inputs. all at the same time
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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 8, 2006 20:49
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On 2006-09-07 02:49, UnderTow wrote:
I've asked on a mailing list which has quite a few digital audio gurus about this +0dB FS thing. I'll report back with what they have to say.
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The consensus is to stay bellow 0 dB FS at all times.
Here is a little experiment some of you can try: Load a 0 dB FS 1Khz sine wave file into your DAW. Set that channel to +5 dB FS and send it to a bus/group. Load Waves LinMB as an insert into the bus/group. Set threshold to 0 and range to 0 so that it isn't doing anything. Turn the plugin on/off and listen to the beauty of hard digital clipping.
Not all plugins do this but you get the picture ...
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Sep 9, 2006 14:23
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Thanks for the replies guys some really useful info in here..5 dallar sticky sticky? 
Just curious about another thing..If you're going to be sending a mix to a mastering engineer what RMS should it roughly be at to give him enough dynamic range to work with?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 9, 2006 14:57
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S-Cube: Alot of mastering engineers say they like the average RMS to be at -20 dB FS with the highest peaks at about -6 dB FS but that is usualy for music that has more dynamic content than trance. You can push it a bit more than that for trance.
The most important thing is that it stays below 0 dB FS and not have any limiters or stereo processing on the stereo master bus. You can have a compressor on there if it is really part of the sound of the mix but keep in mind that the ME probably has better compressors and has better accoustics, monitoring and experience to tweak things just right.
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Raoul V
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 09:57
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On 2006-09-09 14:57, UnderTow wrote:
S-Cube: Alot of mastering engineers say they like the average RMS to be at -20 dB FS with the highest peaks at about -6 dB FS but that is usualy for music that has more dynamic content than trance. You can push it a bit more than that for trance.
The most important thing is that it stays below 0 dB FS and not have any limiters or stereo processing on the stereo master bus. You can have a compressor on there if it is really part of the sound of the mix but keep in mind that the ME probably has better compressors and has better accoustics, monitoring and experience to tweak things just right.
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Is that the same as trying to have the mix with all peaks below 0 db, with the master a 0 and then if and when u send it for mastering to pull down the fader to -6...??
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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 23:49
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On 2006-09-11 09:57, Raoul V wrote:
Is that the same as trying to have the mix with all peaks below 0 db, with the master a 0 and then if and when u send it for mastering to pull down the fader to -6...??
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If your master fader is at 0 and there are no peaks above 0 dB FS, you don't need to pull the fader down. The "no peaks above 0" is the most important thing here.
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 01:46
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I don't know what exactly i'm doing to be running all my channels so hot but even after pulling down the master by quite a bit i still get my peaks going past 0..
Should i consider putting a compressor on the master to control these peaks or just fix it in the mix?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 03:21
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vector_0
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 08:08
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what i've been doing lately (for no reason other than instinct) is bringing the master down just a tad, and keeping my loudest sounds in the mix around half to 2/3 the way up the decibel meter. is this a good or bad idea?
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 08:36
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On 2009-02-06 08:08, vector_0 wrote:
what i've been doing lately (for no reason other than instinct) is bringing the master down just a tad, and keeping my loudest sounds in the mix around half to 2/3 the way up the decibel meter. is this a good or bad idea?
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Looks like you might revive an interesting thread here.
2/3 the way will vary from DAW to DAW. what is that in dBfs? |
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3l3ctromonk
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 19:59
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vector_0
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 21:50
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On 2009-02-06 08:36, ~d2~ wrote:
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On 2009-02-06 08:08, vector_0 wrote:
what i've been doing lately (for no reason other than instinct) is bringing the master down just a tad, and keeping my loudest sounds in the mix around half to 2/3 the way up the decibel meter. is this a good or bad idea?
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Looks like you might revive an interesting thread here.
2/3 the way will vary from DAW to DAW. what is that in dBfs?
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i'm not sure how to get a precise number on that....any advice? I am using ableton live
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