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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 05:25:02
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well, this is probably long overdue, as it has been happening alot lately there are many threads that get spiral into the subject and also to give Bukboy and Shamantrixx a forum for there opinions without hijacking other threads..
Moderators, is it possible to get a sticky on this?
So here's my opinion, the world/universe although not a perfect place is a carefully designed environment to allow for and track the progress of sentient lifeforms, constructed by what could be either described as an alien intelligence, or what we are more familiar with as an entity that is omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent and commonly know as God, Allah, Buddha, Yahweh, and many other names.
in my opinion and belief, it is kind of an experiment to see what we will do with our freewill, if we will 'play' nicely with the other kids, or be selfish brats, and by connection, what kind of entity we will evolve into, and if we have what it takes to become the Eschaton
in the immortal words of Terrance Mckenna:
”We are called to higher things and are passing through a series of bootstrapping, self-transitions that are synergized by the psychadelic plants in our environment, and whose end-state is anticipated in each of us as a microcosm when we surrender our egos and submerge ourselves in the great raging mystery of being that is all around us, all the time, everywhere..”
so, let er rip!
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 07:12
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 07:23
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Sadly being an atheist I have nothing to say. Except that this is a waste of time.  No offence Daleks. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 07:52
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c'mon, I was hoping for a heated discussion...
what about evolved bacteria? aren't politics evolving? its no longer acceptable to rape and pillage in wartime, so what about that...?
about this survival of the fittest crap, and superior cultures, etc, have you no say?
personally, i think there is no such thing as a superior culture, because its all relative.
let me reiterate that this is not a religious discussion, but rather, philosophical, ethical, and esoterical. atheists never surprise me with the a lack of imagination...
but the whole point of this thread is anything goes Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 08:01
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evolution is calling us to a higher level of existance, not just physically, but mentally, and spiritually
therefore i would open this up to the more pragmatic minded people to say that our behaviors are also evolving, and this includes mutual ethical treatment of eachother. in time different countries and people will have greater harmonization and sharing of resources, and we will see the end of wars and aggression. i think we are on the cusp of this now
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 08:37
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On 2008-04-17 08:01, the daleks wrote: 
in time different countries and people will have greater harmonization and sharing of resources, and we will see the end of wars and aggression. i think we are on the cusp of this now
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reeally ? =P
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 08:55
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well compared to 50, 100, 200, 500, 1000 years ago we are seeing less frequency of wars, and brutality
however, at the same time technology has yielded greater destructive power, but from this feeback loop also comes advances in medical technology, communications etc
an example that comes to mind is GPS
lets face it, when people are happy there is less motivation to go off and fight somewhere. only when there is perceived inequality between nations do we see wars of aggression. some examples, German and Japanese aggression in WWII, the Vietnam revolution, attack on Iraq was made possible with some nationalist sentiment that was used skillfully by politicians after 9/11, Al Quaida terrorist attack on World Trade centers was motivated by inequalities between Muslim world and Western meddling in arab affairs. Palestine/ Israeli tensions originate from economic tensions and perceived unfairness, current Tibet / China tensions originate from occupation coupled with limited economic opportunities for ethnic Tibetans, the list goes on and on
so yeah, i think if we learn to play fair and nicely with all the other kids, and everyone is happy then you wont see any fighting. some have marked the winter solstice 2012 as being some kind of event/transition point
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 10:15
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I was actually only trying to propound that artists should make successes of themselves coz the "art" status of music is decided by the public, not by personal values.
I was also propounding that musicians should define their worth as people by how valuable their work is. And certainly not to be intimidated by other peoples definitions of "art" or doing stuff for the greater good of whatever opinion.
War is still here, u just dont see it on the news. so is brutality rape and torture. And lets face it its not gonna go away. any other point of view is wishful thinking.1 000 000 people dead in iraq. if anything killing is more efficient and widespread now than ever. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 10:29
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wow man thats the clearest that you've said it yet. i agree with your first 2 statements 100%. if thats what you were trying to say on the other thread(s) it may have been buried under inflammatory statements
however value can have other meanings than economic / monetary. one such meaning would be impact i.e. may not appeal to a large crowd but rather a maniac fringe. the fringe fans may be more impressed and critical than the mainstream public. A good example would be Tool vs. Kelly Clarkston. Kelly may have won American Idol and have bigger sales than Tool, but Tool has been around alot longer, and may have more genuine fans
war is still here or course, but i disagree you see plenty of it on the news and internet. As in the case with the US, when people hear of torture it is very quickly brought to the press, and people were called on it. its just not acceptable for a country that is supposed to be a champion for human rights to be violating those rights. and there you have the public and other countries voicing there disapproval. a couple hundred years ago the public would have been afraid to speak out against there kings, but now you have international organizations watching over human rights and ethics. this can be seen as an evolution of political systems
i find it defeatist to be all gloom and doom. as with the exponential increase in technological complexity of the 20th century there is also taking place a more subtler evolution in human consciousness Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 10:56
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I dont disagree that there are different kind of experiences like complexity, technical skill or shmaltz as musical strategies which people are willing to pay for. Ultmately whichever way some1 chooses I dont care as long as they get paid enough to have a successful life. i.e. they're in control of their future and they dont have to worry about money.
However, if they get paid more then what they make is more valuable. sad but true and unavoidable.
U see I disagree with everything being gloom and doom. I think everything is working exactly as it should. American hipocrisy is not a crime. Literally what they say is a crime is a crime, coz they can uphold what a crime is much better than anyone else can. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 12:01
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Greeetings Peoples, I love politic's as long as there is mutual respect of each and one of us, with that being said.... i agree that theres not many wars as b4 but as u stated destruction is of a larger scale...Scarcity in Resources, and phanatik religious folks too are the main force behind it plus the great root of all evil... MONEY.
Now correct me if im wrong but when certain important
questions are brought up on bush, HE FUCKEN DODGES THE QUESTION EVERY SINGLE FUKN TIME???
either this guy is an idiot or he has plenty of dirt underneath his sleave... now wouldn;t that be good enuff to have this dick and the rest of his side kicks interogated and a special report and investigation taken...
who's there to look at the leader's dirt?
If the people wanted to take bush to court and have an investigation, would this be possible? say a group of intellectuals and people with money but with good intentions towards civilization? hope that makes sense, SHAKA BOOM
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 18, 2008 03:22
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it may very well happen after his term is up.
there should have been more resolution with the Libby case, and it was pretty much obvious that it went right up to Cheney and probably Bush, but there it was circumstantial and not enough hard evidence. they certainly have been playing cat and mouse with oversight groups
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psilonaut
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That would be great but the problem is that the republicans have an army of lawyers who have been manipulating US laws to make anything they do 100% legal in the eyes of a US court system, its absolute bullshit.
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 18, 2008 12:45
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bush passed retroactive war crimes immunity laws. so no luck he's immune.
But dudes it doesnt matter. The ignorant peasants dont understand whats best for them, just coz bush lies and dodges questions doesnt mean he's a bad leader. Personally america cant let china control iraq oil, and thats all that this is about. It doesnt matter how much lying to the public (who has no clue what the stakes are) goes on. Think about it... china gets iraq pipeline, america becomes second rate power.
Politics isnt clean cut and conforms to religious ideals, just coz constituency dont like it doesnt mean they have a view thats worth considering.
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