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The Mother of all EQUALIZATION thread
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C3PO
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Posted : May 12, 2006 11:23
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On 2006-05-11 13:55, Digital Somadhy wrote:
In process of making music,one of the main troubles in way to "produced quality" is understand of role of equalization. Possible several simplify this.If you there is that to say or ask best way to do this here.
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Well, if you keep boosting 250hz on your snares
for the "punch", boosting 60hz to add "phatness"
to kicks, cutting 500hz from your bass to remove
"mud", boost your hats at 12khz to add "sparkle" -
you're already on the wrong way to "produced quality.
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Raoul V
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Posted : May 12, 2006 14:20
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i found this thread very usefull in parts.. but what i didnt like are the set in stone technique's... all eq depends on ur original sound, play with each find where it sits in the eq spectrum and exploit.
Something i read also is that when u boost a freq boost over a broad freq range, and when u cut cut a narrow range.. |
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orange
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Posted : May 12, 2006 16:25
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On 2006-05-12 14:20, Raoul V wrote:
i found this thread very usefull in parts.. but what i didnt like are the set in stone technique's... all eq depends on ur original sound, play with each find where it sits in the eq spectrum and exploit.
Something i read also is that when u boost a freq boost over a broad freq range, and when u cut cut a narrow range..
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both are right !
i always eq sounds where they need to be equed! all sounds are not the same!
i use the same bass sample in 5 tracks and all of them sound different cos of different eq settings! despite the fact they are in the same note!
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jivamukti
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Posted : May 12, 2006 22:01
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Of course they are just general guidelines and starting points. And if you want to deviate radically, go for it; if it sounds good, it's good.
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rob-ot
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Posted : May 14, 2006 21:19
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Its seems that really the only widely accepted guidelines in EQing are to cut rather than boost in most instances, and to work in such a way that leaves room for each instrument to reside in the frequency spectrum.
Wide Q's are most commonly used because they have a more natural sound. Narrow Qs are really only used to remove specific resonances, and after using the "focus the eq" method to find the unwanted resonance.
And practically everyone who has a decent sound highpasses everything except the kick and the bass, and usually lowpasses hats and loops to get rid of the "grit" that samples have over 12khz. I would leave any hi-end lift for mastering as they have the ears and equipment to get the sparkle in a smooth way.
Other than that, its all contextual (i.e, the actual frequency of where the filter or cut or boost is set, and the Q or slope, cannot be defined except within the exact context of the sound and the track)
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C3PO
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Posted : May 14, 2006 22:18
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On 2006-05-14 21:19, rob-ot wrote:
Its seems that really the only widely accepted guidelines in EQing are to cut rather than boost in most instances, and to work in such a way that leaves room for each instrument to reside in the frequency spectrum.
Wide Q's are most commonly used because they have a more natural sound. Narrow Qs are really only used to remove specific resonances, and after using the "focus the eq" method to find the unwanted resonance.
And practically everyone who has a decent sound highpasses everything except the kick and the bass, and usually lowpasses hats and loops to get rid of the "grit" that samples have over 12khz. I would leave any hi-end lift for mastering as they have the ears and equipment to get the sparkle in a smooth way.
Other than that, its all contextual (i.e, the actual frequency of where the filter or cut or boost is set, and the Q or slope, cannot be defined except within the exact context of the sound and the track)
Charts are meaningless. You have to train your ears through hard work and practice and many hours of comparison listening between your mixes and professional ones.
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Word.
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fregle
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there's only one that is very correct, the 4500Hz one... That one is even very important, because human ears are very attenuated to that frequency, so that's the first place where most people get hearing damage... Always notch that one, it makes the track a lot less tiring to listen to indeed...
Also on parties, make a slight notch at 4500Hz on the EQ before sending it to the amp... that is the frequency on which your ears get damaged most easily... Not that it will make much difference at the volumes we use on parties... We go over 110dB anyway, which is way too loud. |
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rob-ot
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Posted : May 16, 2006 07:42
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I agree. Most sound systems need a cut in the 3-5K range in order to sound less fatiguing and reduce the amount of damage inflicted.
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Ghost Host
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Posted : May 22, 2006 21:46
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thx god 4 this thread 
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : May 23, 2006 02:28
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On 2006-05-14 21:19, rob-ot wrote:
And practically everyone who has a decent sound highpasses everything except the kick and the bass, and usually lowpasses hats and loops to get rid of the "grit" that samples have over 12khz. |
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Excellent thread! I highpass all my sounds as well but never thought of lowpassing hats gonna give this a try! Would lowpassing be recommended for leads as well?
Also what Q setting is best to use when highpassing stuff?
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C3PO
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rob-ot
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Posted : May 24, 2006 08:44
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On 2006-05-23 02:28, S-Cube wrote:
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On 2006-05-14 21:19, rob-ot wrote:
And practically everyone who has a decent sound highpasses everything except the kick and the bass, and usually lowpasses hats and loops to get rid of the "grit" that samples have over 12khz. |
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Excellent thread! I highpass all my sounds as well but never thought of lowpassing hats gonna give this a try! Would lowpassing be recommended for leads as well?
Also what Q setting is best to use when highpassing stuff?
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You must be careful with lowpassing; use your ears. If you listen closely to well produced stuff, the high end is uniform and not TOO bright, but crisp enough.
To achieve this you must _control_ the hi-highs. This is done by selectively lowpassing sounds that have too much 9-15k. When you start layering loops and hats on top of each other things start to get too bright and screechy, by selectively lo-passing and setting the cutoff of some things higher than others you are carving out ranges for parts to sit in....a fundamental concept in EQing.
You must be careful because obviously if you go to far and set the lowpass too low for too many sounds your track will sound dull. I find that I usually set the lowpasses at 10k or above, and have a 12 or 24 db slope. Or sometimes closer to 12k.
Then what you do is of course have some sounds not lowpassed at all, and perhaps even some sounds with a hi shelf lift in that area. ITS ALL CONTEXT. Only by referencing pro tracks will you get a feel for what parts need to have a lowpass, what parts need to be left alone, and what parts may even need a hi shelf lift.
The point of this whole discourse is that besides low end management, which allows the kick and bass room and overall cleanliness, a pro sounding track needs hi-end management as well so that the hi-end ends up clean and clear.
An important rule to remember with hi and low pass filters is that the steeper you set the slope, the more you will be accenting the frequency of the cutoff, because at steep slopes the filter is becoming almost a resonant filter....soooo, use this knowledge in a creative way. If you want a lead to have more presence, sometimes is good to hi-pass with a 48db slope filter at 300-400hz and that will bring it more out in front. If you want a sound to have a smoother and more recessed sound, then use a 12 or 24 db slope.
The way I like to work with filters is to first go "too far" and take too much out, then selectively back the filter up until I reach a point where I have just enough body but things still sound really even and clean. This may mean that some things are hi-pass filtered at ABOVE 500hz, or even above 1000hz for certain percussion...and some loops may even be lowpass filtered at as low as 5K because that loop needs to "sit" behind other elements in the mix and dulling the sound achieves that quite well. Once again, its context, and kind of like a puzzle where you're fitting pieces between other pieces.
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rob-ot
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Posted : May 24, 2006 08:55
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On 2006-05-23 02:28, S-Cube wrote:
Also what Q setting is best to use when highpassing stuff?
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techincally you change the slope of the filter, not the Q. Most good EQs, like the Logic Channel EQ or the Renaissance EQ give you choices of slopes.
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l337
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Posted : May 24, 2006 11:27
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On 2006-05-15 19:15, FREGLE wrote:
there's only one that is very correct, the 4500Hz one... That one is even very important, because human ears are very attenuated to that frequency, so that's the first place where most people get hearing damage... Always notch that one, it makes the track a lot less tiring to listen to indeed...
Also on parties, make a slight notch at 4500Hz on the EQ before sending it to the amp... that is the frequency on which your ears get damaged most easily... Not that it will make much difference at the volumes we use on parties... We go over 110dB anyway, which is way too loud.
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This is incorrecy and you are mislead, cutting at 3000 - 4500 Hz will not help your ears.....
it doesnt matter what freq you are exposed to , 3500 Hz is where your ears start to notch when they get damaged....so you will start loosing hearing at 3500 and it will exapnd out, 3500 isnt where your ears need to be protected not to be damaged!
my friend is an audioligist, and also any level over 85 dB will fuck your ears up
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fregle
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Posted : May 24, 2006 21:37
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ah, ok  that's very clear i knew the part about the 85dB btw, that's why i said that it doesnt matter because of the level we play on at parties  |
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