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The mother of all ACOUSTIC
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naga
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 16:21:07
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Conversation about:
-Near field monitor positions - setting up
-Acoustic in near field monitoring
-Improving room acoustic
Basicly, what are the major principles when placing monitors in different enviroments.
It seems that the biggest part of tips on the net are managed to help Hi-Fi and home theater listeners and cannot find so much information about near field monitoring.
Please inform if this weren't relevant =) |
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naga
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 16:26
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i live in apartment building. it's 8½ metres long and 3½ metres wide and walls are full stone  that's all it got at the moment.
how i can easily with a little money fix acoustic to be more comfortable?
i'm aware modifying acoustic is an expensive project and it would be much cheaper to build a new own house, but this is the situation i'm stuck.
i'm studying so looking for a cheap and tolerable suggestions.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 17:20
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Missing information in order to answer your question more completely:
a) Is the room empty of furniture except a table for your DAW?
b) What is the height of the room?
c) Are DIY solutions something you'd be willing to put effort into? How much time will you put into this?
d) What are your budget limitations?
e) Are there certain things that you find more troubling in your audio setup? (for instance - Adam speakers tend to have a smaller sweet-spot yet less problems sound reflections in the trebles due to this)
f) Do you already have speaker stands? If so, how are they built?
General tips - the tweeters should be at ear level when you are listening, and the speakers should NEVER be at 50% of the room's height (causes comb filtering), speakers should be parallel to the ground (again, filtering issues), the distance between the speakers ideally must equal the distance between each speaker and your listening location (for ideal stereo seperation), monitor stands must have just ONE layer of rubber/sponge/whatever flexible material (ideally, the speaker stands are built into the floor and have a flexible layer between the speaker and the stand, or have a flexible layer between them and the floor but with the speakers attached to them in a completely unmovable way). The heavier the stands, the better. Sit in the middle of the room, make sure the entire room is designed as symmetrically as possible.
I have not gotten to any additions to the room, as information is lacking. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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naga
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 17:30
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a) Is the room empty of furniture except a
table for your DAW?
COUPLE SOFAS, BED, DAW center, TV etc. basic living room stuff
b) What is the height of the room?
2½ metres
c) Are DIY solutions something you'd be willing to put effort into? How much time will you put into this?
Time doesn't matter and willing to do things by my own as it's cheaper 
d) What are your budget limitations?
Looking for the prizes :S
e) Are there certain things that you find more troubling in your audio setup? (for instance - Adam speakers tend to have a smaller sweet-spot yet less problems sound reflections in the trebles due to this)
hard to tell in this situation. B2031A, so pretty semi-monitors.
f) Do you already have speaker stands? If so, how are they built?
Speakers are on the same table as monitor and stuff. Those has to be close cause poor acoustic and resonance
What can you tell about DIY? bass traps etc.
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xoC
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 01:36
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moki
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Posted : Jan 21, 2009 15:17
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i was wondering about a place for a party that i wanna rent but many people tell me that it is not a good one. it is an old roman bathing place and has a spheric ceiling. why is this not good and what can i do ? it is just very suitable because it has many rooms besides the two big floors and these rooms are nice for the art exhibitions. why is this ceiling not good??? does anyone know????? can anyone explain????? i dont know about accoustic, but i thought that churches have good accustics with such spheric forms?? this is not high, it is about, well like 10 meters.....
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 21, 2009 15:28
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It's a party, there's nothing wrong with such a space acoustically for it. Don't be bothered...
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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vegetal
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Posted : Jan 21, 2009 17:12
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jan 21, 2009 17:25
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One thing you should think about before buying alot of acoustic material and such is that the saying " the more the merrier" does not apply.
You should not stuff the whole room with paddings and basstraps, you need a little "reverb" to get a good soundscape.
Also carefully put acousticmaterial around corners close to monitors, and leave little "cracks" on the walls where sound can bounce, Its not a mental isolationcell, its a place to enjoy production.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 17:54
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well it is not a party .
it is a cultural event.
i am not interested to organize parties. if i ever do it again , it will be a trance tantra hostel, but no interest of fun parties. zero.
there are plenty of others who will do it instead of me.
and if it as a cultural event i expect intelligent people.
and itelligent people take care for their ears.
and i wanna take care for their ears too.
i dont want unpleasant ecoustic experience.
this roman bad, i am so sure that i have to do something there. it is in another country, not in that where i live. it is where i was born and it is a very old ancient place. i want something different. and the place is perfect to project different things in the different rooms. but just this spheric ceiling....
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 19:43
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I'm no expert on spherical ceiling acoustics - as I remember myself being in such a space, talking or clapping my hands will end up being extremely fluttered and as if amplified.
If you plan to execute a listening space with such a ceiling, I suggest examining the place first. Hear how strong the effect of flutter occuring. Listen to music too if you can. Look at the ceiling; is it round or is it steppy.
Any bare space can be trated acousticly to provide better performance on the higher frequencies. I do not know the effect on low frequencies in spherical spaces, and I can't predict that either.
If it's a very large ceiling, and something that is a temporary space, investing in acoustics would be highly unrecommended... by me
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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moki
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 20:55
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thanks, this is very polite of you, i aprreciate it a lot!
unfortunately examining the place is not so easy because it is open for public events, or to be exact, for art exhibitions and it is not so easy to go to put some psy trance and see what happens. and btw for me it is not possible to examine it anyway, because i am quite far away from this place, i am only communicating about the project with the owner.... but thanks for the advice.
btw about accustics i have another thing that i would like to mention. you probably know about the fraunhofer institute, ( these are the ppl who brought the mp3 out).
i was visiting an expo about digital media technology recently and they were discussing the so called WAVE FIELD SYNTHESIS. i found it quite interesting for circle places. of course it is not in my budget, or at least now it is not, but they use it for a lot of bigger events....
THE FUTURE OF SPATIAL SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!
now you may probably react as you did in the topic about the 432hz tuning but actually i find the concept really interesting. i heard on this expo how they made the accoustics in a room of 10 to 10 meters. it sounded so incredibly. if i compare to parties i visited recently, we are far away from those professionals. but may be i should get back to the classic psy trance parties. they were ways more professional in that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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moki
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 23:18
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 23:25
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Very interesting 
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 23:44
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What about eggboxes ? I understand this won't change much, but considered they cost nothing, that's still a small something (unless it fucks up the sound, of course). |
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