PoM
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 02:57
orgy if there is no sub bass it s maybe the frequency response of the mic? dunno.. could be the pre or even the converter but doubt it..
shelve eq boost with processor like rbass and stuff like this? but why you want sub bass ,it s more common to hp and lp voice .
when i checked i found a french forums with talks on this with experience guys into that buisness... and yeah it was mostly on choice of mic, acoustics ,position,recording technic... they are pro that do this for job so offcourse choice of preamps and analog processor mattter a lot for them but you should get good result even wihtout i guess.
you should give a try at gearslutz
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 03:36
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On 2012-02-07 02:57, PoM wrote:
orgy if there is no sub bass it s maybe the frequency response of the mic? dunno..
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 12:37
i need the subs, because they make the voice fat, and in commercials voices they leave much bass in it.
i have the a sub response when i blow into the mic or say "P" tones. i talk into the mic about 7cm away... mabe getting 2-3cm close there appears more subbass.
the freq response should be ok...
ill test this out more, and tell you the results. yeah, maybe i get some info on gearslutz.
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 13:29
Headroom has some of the best voiceover type samples imo - like 00:26
not as bassey but sounds very nice all the same.
Imagine paying this guy $200 only to find out his 'secret' is a $2000 mic - honestly who in their right mind would pay for that. I think any decent large diagram condenser should do the trick really, preferably with a nice preamp and compressor.
might give it a try with the Neumann u87 and Neve 1073 pre at uni, see how beefy we can get that advert voice haha
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 19:16
+1 for Neumann and Neve
If you not have the money, I have good experience with the Rode Nt1a. It cost 180€ and brings the best quality in this price range:
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 20:19
I worked in a studio doing only voice recordings for nearly a year and what i can ensure you is that the voice artist is the most important thing for a good, bass heavy sound.
You're mic might not be high-end, but with a good voice artist, an EQ, a good comp, de-esser and limiter (Software or Hardware doesn't matter), you should also get a really nice quality.
First thing would be to find a distance to the mic where the sound is good balanced. Absorbers do help here for sure.
But simple absorbers like matresses can already help a lot.
Then get the levels right. A good hardware pre-amp/comp is nice, but not really necessary. Just use the preamp in your interface and use software afterwards.
Try to remove resonances via EQ (mostly at the deep mids and around 1-1,5 khz).
Try to give the sound more warmth, around 100-200 hz and more presence, around 5k.
Add a high-shelf and push in quite some highs (Limiter later will tame them again a bit).
A lowcut or shelf is useful also, but don't overdo it as you wan't a bassy signal.
EQ depends strongly on the speaker, so experiment a lot.
Add a comp, for this kind of broadcasting sound you can use quite heavy compression (But leave room here for the limiter).
Then add a de-esser if necessary, free-ware like spitfish will do the job.
Finally drive it really hard with a limiter, f.e. Waves L2 (simple to use).
It's really a thing of doing the compression right, i often was surprised how heavy my boss drove the signal into compression...
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 21:45
It can be done different ways, Remember Larry King? He actually has a pretty thin voice, but the telefunken ribbon mic he had made wonders happen as far as low frequencies are concerned. The second thing is heavy stereo compression, connected with an eq, where you up the low end frequencies, take some of the crap out around 1000hz, pretty much like Brain_Train suggested... be careful with messing with the 100hz area, a little is enough, don't overdo it...
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 22:14
i never liked the rode NT2A sound.. found it to be too boxy and sterile with a sibilant sound to it.
i much prefer in the cheap department the.. sontronics stc-2x, Oktava MK-105 and i love the sound of Blue Baby Bottle.
but my favourite will always be the... Neumann BCM 104 for voice overs broadcast and vocals. it has a nice fat sound with plenty of low end and a very tolerant capsule over poping and bapping.
compliment it with a BLUE ROBBIE preamp and a Summit TLA-50 tube leveler and you got some awesome chain for your voice... but all of this is useless if you dont got the voice for it!
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 05:57
i have seen a different tutorial for crafting this 'commercials' voice, where he got the same result as speaking close to a condenser mic
with just boosting bass freqs along with compression on the vocal.
apart from bass+volume is there any way to make a voice more present? stereo positioning thats probably it..
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 06:01
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On 2012-02-07 12:37, orgytime wrote:
i need the subs, because they make the voice fat, and in commercials voices they leave much bass in it.
i have the a sub response when i blow into the mic or say "P" tones. i talk into the mic about 7cm away... mabe getting 2-3cm close there appears more subbass.
there is definitely low end in your spoken voice it just needs to be boosted.
maby add Rbass or similar to EQ boost
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 14:10
thanks guys, thats alot info! ill need some time to work all that out^^
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Posted : Feb 9, 2012 11:31
you need the voice of god mate
this is what they use in the industry a lot to make the voice fat. well mostly they use the hardware its modeled after but anyway..
and yes, basically they dial in additional sub freqs.. but the voice of god makes it dam simple and sweet.
+ the choice of mic obviously changes your freq spectrum at first..
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