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The making of a bigger voice

orgytime
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 14:22:06
check out @ 1:40







any advices on getting this classical commercial sound? i looking for such thing for ages now, and it seems compression and limiting are not enough.


cheers
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 14:33
lol for 200$ this guy share a settings for voiceover?

second part sounds like a normal voice recorded on different mic than on first part. you can make it just without any magic tricks. maybe just compression.

its a mic/pre-amp issue, not a magic secret settings

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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 15:19
Do people use Audition to master for real?           www.soundcloud.com/kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 15:33
agree with alien bug
2 mics, or 2 takes from different distances.
expensive condenser mics make your voice phat like this when you speak right infront of the diaphragm
it is called proximity effect and happens only in directional mics
why would people spend so much money buying good quality microphones if they could achieve this phat sound by just using some digital tools???           https://soundcloud.com/poisonritual
PoM
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 16:41
maybe not in this case but also good recording chains...even if it may not matter as much as the mic..your chain is as weak as it s weakest link..
PoM
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 17:02
a good colored pre for example can really help to get a more commercial sound ...same for the compressor used.

i dont have much experience in recording but i know some nevish kind of pre will make your voice sound more like a record.. bigger and almost "cheesy" , it just have a commercial sound some love some hate it..and it depend for what kind of music...just to say the preamp can make a subblte but still nice difference .
you realize it when you compare something like a rme preamp to something more high end one will make recordings closer to what you hear on the radio while the rme will sound nothing special and not very pleasant in comparaison.
orgytime
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 17:46
so a 300€ rode mic and a 300€ soundcard wont do the trick?           www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
orgytime
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 18:33
in detail, its a rode NT2-A condenser mic and a echo audiofire 4 interface.


so you think that guy switched to a expensive mic and not only the emu1616 setting, and its all fake?

this guy wrote:
"I's been a few years since
I initially made this video, and I have
since then modeled the same sound with Only
Audition.For a small price of _200, I can
share my signature setting with
you.Disclaimer: You will sound drastically
different, but for a better quality I
recommend you have a really quiet
room.paypal: info@voiceoveuniverse.comI'm
really bad at screening capturing, but this
is a first. For voiceover I am using the
Sennheiser 416, Symetrix 528e, and E-MU
1616. I'm simply sharing a "lite" version my
settings. The full version has costs a
little extra "





another example...




i never get such subbass...          www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
PoM
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 18:56
dunno mate ,could be processing? me was talking you more about voice you hear on radio on stuff like pop music than things like this.. it sound like commercial stuff , maybe look at what technics they use for commercials

i was looking on a french forum and they say same stuff that we said here, the choice of mic,mic position, the preamp and compressor then it s processing. what will matter a lot for this is the mic and the processing imo. have you tried enhancers,exciters stuff like this?might help, eq,reverb...
zero_the_hero
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 20:07
IMO he is just kiding users who haven`t knowledge about soundmixing, cause if you want to have an AB comparision to sound quality, he has to do it in the same loudness level. As you can see, the volume level is not the same. His super duppa settings are much louder then his voice before. He used a
psycho-accoustic trick (louder signals have more presence) to sell his presets to unknown users...!

There are some settings for creating good vocals in the studio:
1. Good singer (or speaker)
2. Good Mic (and yes,there are big differents between them. It`s not only the price....).
3. A good room (there are different oppinions about real silenced rooms and rooms with a good sound character)
4. Good preamps for the Mic
These 4 settings are realy fundamental for big voices. Eq`s, compressors,delays and exciters are only for the rest of 20% important.
The voiceover in radio is often done withthe Gate/Compressor Sidechaining Ducking method:






Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 6, 2012 20:35
This guy doesnt have to switch on the microphone for $5000 for make this "commercial voice".
I've heard better sounding vocals of my friends, recorded at an average grade equipment.

I agree with zero_the_hero.

This guy is fraud. 200$ for secret parameters that always change your poor record into commercial ultrasupermegapower voice? No way           http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 01:20
Quote:

On 2012-02-06 20:07, zero_the_hero wrote:
IMO he is just kiding users who haven`t knowledge about soundmixing, cause if you want to have an AB comparision to sound quality, he has to do it in the same loudness level.



^ This. If you want to compare two signals, you can only compare them at equal loudness.

I can't really tell any special effect from there besides EQ and compression (or some subtle distortion). It can also be heard that he has a very good voice and he used it in the second sample.

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PoM
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 01:48
also the acoustic matter a lot,i would record myself with absorbers very close the sound have no reverb ambiance at all...or record in a room with nice acoustics
orgytime
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 01:56
the absorbers dont do the trick.
i dont get that fat subbass to the voice because there is no... and i dont know where i can get information for this, google seems to get me wrong search results or i use the wrong tags.

sure this dude is a fraud, and sure u cant compare the levels, but its still the sound im looking for, for promotianal stuff like radio. i cant believe that the artists voice is the trick to this kind of quality and subbass. so it has to be the equipment, or the software. anyone get a close result?



the second sample i posted is quite distorted, but its also nice... crispy and bassy.



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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 02:26
Random Idea: Maybe a Sinewave being triggered by a sidechain gate using the voice as the trigger. Err... maybe not

The artist voice counts a LOT in the final sound (like the original synth patch counts on getting that fat bass). A perfect example of this is:





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