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The line betwin Trance spirit and money.
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PaL
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Posted : Apr 24, 2003 16:48
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Hi!
I would like to discuss the LINE between commercial and underground parties.
That thing always worried me a lot and the difference seems to be a subject for a large hesitations.
Since there is no parties now-days where there is no a commercial attidute along with all the other things.
If there is any – please tell me. (btw, BLT - may-be you know..)
Every DJ that came to play is excepted to get payed for his job.. as well as the organizers and “yahzanim”. Witch is really legitimized but……
Believe me, I know a good number of them personally.
I think that the only case we can call a party non-commercial is when the financial balance of it approximates to zero. !?
Is ‘underground’ means ‘non-commercial’ beyong other things or there is something I am missing..?
I do remember parties where there were really little talks about money, and where the price for entrance was as low as possible JUST to refund the expenses, and the prior interest was the spirit itself and the joy of the ppl.
Djs also came to play for their interest, and the pay-back was the honor that they where invited.
Is there anything left from this today?
You opinion would be really valuable to me,
Thanks in advance.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Apr 24, 2003 17:29
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Of course.
Underground is everything - music,people and a way of organizing the party.
Psyzion are THA underground in my opinion.
I've been to all their parties and so far they've been all a great experience.
Occasionally there are still real underground parties in Israel. You just have to search for them.
Timmy.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 24, 2003 17:29
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What you describe as 'underground' sounds much like my hometown's scene in the present day... maybe people elsewhere have forgotten the roots?
The good news is, hope is not lost. It doesn't take too much to throw an underground party, except for maybe a willingness of people to attend... you can't blame promoters/DJs/artists for the trend towards bigger/brighter/faster - its also the people of the scene, many of whom only want to hear the big names and see the big sights. Perhaps they forget that these aren't the sole contributing factors towards having a good experience.
I think the main thing is (and I've been living this) if you don't like what you see do something to change it!
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Rik
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Posted : Apr 24, 2003 17:41
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i think you can consider something underground when most people that work for the party are not being payed ( bar people etc, also no big financial compensations for the organisers, only material costs being refunded), no big advertisement campains exist, and it's not at major clubs but smaller more alternative locations...
this does not mean it has to be low budget, there are organisers in belgium that do a few parties a year and manage to get live acts like space tribe, sillicon sound, and even California sunshine to our little country!
dark soho and hux flux are visiting this way in the near future for two events by different organisers using the same principles...
Timmy: hah  i made their flyer for the party about a week ago 
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Roam
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Posted : Apr 25, 2003 13:05
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I belive you'r talking about situation in Israel.
So my opinion is that hard work has to be payed. And party organizing is a HARD work no doubt.
Yes, i remember those times, when there was parties with no enterance money...
I allso remember dj's and organizers selling drugs..
And we can't ignor the financial problems in our country, onse it wasn't so expencive to organize small forest/beach party.
2day is different.
But i hope the history will roll back, as allways, and we'll see those parties you'r talking about...
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Rik
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Posted : Apr 25, 2003 18:01
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i'm talking global, people work hard, together, for a party. you get the joy of seeing the crowd having a great time. that's all the pay i need.
i work the bar for hours without getting a penny, i do projections for nothing, i make flyers for free...
and i don't think this has much to do with where you are.
ofcourse, all materials i use, that i have to pay for are compensated for!
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PaL
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Posted : Apr 25, 2003 19:20
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That's it.
I don't think that Israel is the thing we should blame.. otherwise it becomes really easy and backwards-going..
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Zombi
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Posted : Apr 26, 2003 00:12
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the line between trance spirit and money located somewhere in 95 near indian border..
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Rik
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 12:42
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that is something you'd have to explain a little more for me to figure out what you mean exactly
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 17:05
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as far as i understand, he meant that since then - the true trance spirit is gone
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freakazoid
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 17:26
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i think underground today falls in a few categories: low entrance fee (around 60 today is pretty much okay), not too many people (even around 500-700 people could be a pretty cool party), and that you can take whatever you want into the party, like a tent, water and so on without some guy in the entrance telling you to leave the water there. and reasonably good people who know trance, and came to the party because they know the scene and have their connections (party not published in a forum or a flyer in some club).
these would probably result in an "underground" party, but without a little more thought about djs and deco no one would come
in olden days, i remember going to 50 people parties with unknown djs and having a ball. those were much more "underground". these days i already know good things too much and won't go somewhere where the dj is some guy who hardly knows how to dj or there are not enough cuties nearby 
i think the term underground should change with time, cause what zombie called underground like many years ago, is just not available anymore (aside from small friends parties that don't have any publicity on the outside).
what to do, our scene grows and grows and grows for better or worse.
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