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The great synth challenge
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 22:45
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On 2008-11-18 18:22, avduka wrote:
What good is a sound with no effect? Are you ever gonna put a raw saw into your song with no reverb and other effects?
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Yes. All the time. It starts with the bassline... 
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This is not a good way to compare sound quality of synths.
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Of course it is. You can always add effects but if the source (the oscillators) don't sound good, the results will always be sub-optimal.
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You should really spend some quality time with the virus and you will see what the hype is all about.
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I have had my Virus for... nearly 10 years I guess. It's cool and all but I think most of the hype is due to the interface rather than the actual sound. The interface lends to instant tweakage which is why it is such a great synth to play with.
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After you do you will realize there lotsa ways to shape your sound. Put the 3d saw osc on, not good enough? put the twin unison on.. watch the sound just come at you..have you tried the analog boost? Filter saturarion? osc saturation? the list just goes on..
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That's all very cool but when I want a very clean saw wave (for instance) I don't use the Virus. There are better options.
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try all this with little reverb delay with your liking and put it in unison 8
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That's a good way to make a muddy mix. I prefer multiple clean sounds most of the time and then maybe some background sounds with FX to fill the sound stage. This gives more depth to the mix and keeps things clean.
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Then go to your vst folder, select all vst synths then right click delete.
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Not a chance.  There are plenty of good usable VSTs.
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 23:52
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Bandarlog
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 00:06
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 00:11
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hugaw
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 00:16
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just checked sylenth 1... Virus (even Ti) isn't better.
For basic saw waves Trilogy is far better than the Virus.
For big detuned sounds and unison, Massive takes the lead.
Virus is very good for pads though, but check the new Omnisphere...
I'm selling my virus not because it's not a good synth, but because it's luxury.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 02:47
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On 2008-11-19 00:06, bandarlog wrote:
best vsti's imo:
- zebra2
- massive
- omnisphere
- rapture
(- gladiator)
(- nrg-a)
Especially the first 3 are in a superior league compared to others. I sold my virus KB and microkorg because vsti-workflow is so much better (for me).
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I think Rapture should be in that list too. Frankly I think it should be right at the top. It is often underestimated. It is by far the VSTi I use most. (One thing to remember is that the realtime sound doesn't have the synch interpolate engine running. Once you bounce/freeze it it sounds even better).
The great thing about Rapture, besides the total flexibility in envelopes and such, is the fact that you can load it with new sounds. Here is an absolutely great free bank for Rapture:
http://www.patcharena.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=61&func=fileinfo&id=643
Someone made the effort of sampling dozens and dozens of old vintage analogue synths and made Rapture presets with those. There are 571 new waveforms. (That's like adding 571 new oscillators to a synth!).
Then they went to the next step and recorded impulse responses of various amps and stuff (To do convolution). That is the other great thing in Rapture.
The convolution engine and the scripting language and all that are not well documented. This means a lot of people are not aware of how amazingly deep and powerful Rapture really is.
The presets in this bank are not all good. Some are truly excellent, some less good but you have to check out all the waveforms. Loads of excellent starting points. And free!
UnderTow
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Aeon
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 10:36
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in defence of the Virus:
i might be strange, but i find the virus saw wave plenty chunksome enough for bass! the 'punch' parameter is also great for really click attacks.
i also really rate the reverb. it's not about lush organic ambient sounds... it's a purely digital reverb, which i happen to really like the sound of.
the 'moog' filter is cool too - in 4pole mode with resonance up it really warbles. speaking of filters, i find the filter routing really great to work with.
the phaser section is brilliant, IMO... so good it makes up for the distortion, which is a bit shitty.
i think one of the best things about the virus is its external processing... patching drum loops through the distortion module with an envelope-controlled filter, or layering pads with parallel filter mode... and the input envelope follower is available as a mod matrix source, which means you can (for example) use a mic as an FM modulator!
i love the arps and the fact that they output midi with velocity. send out some arp note information and whack it into your sampler for instant hi-hat groove
again, though, it's about having as many sound sources as you can and using every tool at your disposal. i don't think it has to be either / or, good / bad, analogue / digital, soft / hard... just sound |
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LS.
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 14:28
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On 2008-11-19 10:36, -aeon- wrote:
i also really rate the reverb. it's not about lush organic ambient sounds... it's a purely digital reverb, which i happen to really like the sound of.
the 'moog' filter is cool too - in 4pole mode with resonance up it really warbles. speaking of filters, i find the filter routing really great to work with.
i think one of the best things about the virus is its external processing... patching drum loops through the distortion module with an envelope-controlled filter, or layering pads with parallel filter mode...
i love the arps and the fact that they output midi with velocity. send out some arp note information and whack it into your sampler for instant hi-hat groove
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1000% total agreement.
Like the hihat idea Aeon. I will be trying that nifty little trick
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 14:44
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i agree ,i like the delay too... but like UnderTow said the virus was sold already 10 years ago and the caractere of the synth his still the same , 10 years of virus sound ...it s enought to stop listening psytrance or to throw it by the window,it s a reason why so many ppl dislike it now... i sold mine after one year , had a love and hate relation ship with that synth. |
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 15:02
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Greententacle
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 17:10
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Today installed Vember Audiosurge, first thing was i can´t find the presets, they are not installed, fu+++k! This makes my play around with the init, and woooowwww!
1 Minute and i had the fattest bassline i ever heard.....amazing Synth..... |
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Greententacle
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 17:14
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ahhh and:
Forget this bad presets that came with EVERY Synth!!!
This people are not able to programm simple fat sounds....
you have to do it yourself.
Got a VirusTi too, and i can get the hell out of it.... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 17:17
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Without a shadow of a doubt it is Adern Flexor.
http://adern.com/home/modules.php?name=flexor&file=preview&id=8
I doubt you can find a more flexible and advanced modular synth than Modular III with Flexor and the sound quality in every module is exceptional.
Precise oscillators, extremely tight envelopes with attack values starting at 1 sample and both very fat and very accurate filters.
So even with a really basic 1 osc patch the quality will shine and having several hundreds of modules available means endless possibilities.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:07
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is it true it s going native at the next update? |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 21:51
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On 2008-11-19 20:07, PoM wrote:
is it true it s going native at the next update?
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I haven't heard any such rumours but that would be great news indeed.
For some reason I doubt it and if it happens I would be very curious to see if it will affect the quality.
For example I have both DirectX and Scope versions of some Sonic Timeworks plugins, and there is a noticeable difference in the quality of the Scope versions...don't ask me why or if it just due to lack of CPU power forcing developers to use lesser algorithms for native.
But in a native system you would for sure miss out on the Modular II and III modules , the flexible routing you get with the scope environment as well as all the other nice devices avaialble for Scope.
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