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Psy_Active
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 00:11
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I Really don't want to turn this into an "anti evil boom festival" thread.. But I was just making a comparession of how ppl should not stone alladin group for some mistakes last edition of the orb festival because it is difficult to pull of a festival and gave an example of a festival that is worshiped never the least bit critisized, and which i'm familiar with.
@ brainlizard, I'm sorry I really am but that 7 month 16 hour a day thing is absolutley rubbish lol, I know people who work every boom edition and know perfectly who diogo is and it's nothing like that your saying  It is a very international crew(many volunteers for admission, same with the 700? artists/dj's they bring) But yes.. As I said It's a truely special event and they should not be crucified for doing it and yes rewarded for they're work. I was merely using them as an example
I think just because you are gouged elsewere(clubs ect.) Does not mean you should be gouged at a global psychedelic trance festival promoting awareness and natural preservation. It's not the vendors.. All the bar vendors and most food are all good mood operated.. So the money goes to them
One thing we could think of as an excuss.. which rly isn't is the fact that 50 thousand+ people are consuming water and not little amounts of it seeing the alentejo countryside heat during our peaks of august. It's like an avg of maybe 150k bottles a day.. thats a crazy ammount of water bottles, but no one takes away from my idea. aswell as the expensive admission prices...
@Onnomon... port wine !!  I prefer my red bassy alentejo wine.
The taps provided.. I have 4/10 friends who got sick from using them during the boom.. But even worse 8/10 friends from drinking sagres !! everyone knows that in Portugal Super Bock is the best beer to drink !  |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 03:32
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On 2009-02-17 00:11, Psy_Active wrote:
@ brainlizard, I'm sorry I really am but that 7 month 16 hour a day thing is absolutley rubbish lol, I know people who work every boom edition and know perfectly who diogo is and it's nothing like that your saying
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My wife works on the Boom crew. I was only giving information that I know as fact, from experience. Maybe your friends were on a different tier of the work crew, there are many levels. Do you actually think I would pull something like that from my hat? For instance , if you work at Boom Radio, you fund your own way to the event. Your still on the crew but not the core. Or maybe your right by thinking Diogo is a con man.
Boom is in a different Country by the way. Why do you need to go so far to get our eyes off the candy?  Boom has nothing to with the economy and the local scene here in the States . Unless you're talking subjects like Sacred Geometry and NWO, for starters.
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damon
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Posted : Feb 18, 2009 12:24
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Can someone confirm at least the approx. real attendance at Boom? Heard from few independent sources that the amount of people that went there last year was closer to 25k than 40-50k everyone is talking about? 
just curious
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Psy_Active
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Posted : Feb 19, 2009 06:34
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On 2009-02-18 12:24, damon wrote:
Can someone confirm at least the approx. real attendance at Boom? Heard from few independent sources that the amount of people that went there last year was closer to 25k than 40-50k everyone is talking about?
just curious
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They Sold 30k+- tickets to sell out(maybe a bit more from ambassidor counts which are givin a bit more then actual sale tickets. so i'd say 30-35 sold. plus the other god knows how many people the crossed the river to get in(I know quite a few). And the anti-boom(dunno how many are familiar with this) had about 7 thousand ppl in attendance from what friends told me who attended it.
But ya way off topic now. All I wanted to do was make an example of festival management with boom
It's truely an amazing event though. I'd say the only comparable event that I can think of is the burning man. Boom is truely magical.. And no diogo isn't a con man. He is a true psyhead who rly threw great parties when good mood still made them. All I censored was the 2 euro waters.
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konflux
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Posted : Feb 19, 2009 12:15
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 19, 2009 23:22
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On 2009-02-19 12:15, konflux wrote:
Antiboom was funny, although I didn't make it across the pond myself, but those who did told me it was all about non-psytrance EDM. Middle finger to Boom from across the water, so to speak. )))
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Sounds awesome if you could flip between one and the other.,. |
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vaxination
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 00:38
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lol make a bridge between booms?
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Psy_Active
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 05:27
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On 2009-02-20 00:38, vaxination wrote:
lol make a bridge between booms?
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Then the antiboom would have like 15 people and everyone would go to the boom lolol 
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 22:35
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 and  regarding topic title,  are we? Then again, if we focus on Portugal, we can say its not our problem and forget about the economy and the local scene in the Americas. Or, are we looking at them to compare them to us vs water vs headcount vs who went there and knows the scoop in order to reflect our economy and the local scene? if so, then we are on point and should move there, leave this place as it is... I feel it was bait to get our eye's off the subject..
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vaxination
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 09:22
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lol I find it ironic that you are giving us crap for getting off topic kevin. but your right.
I think we've pretty much covered most of whats going to be said on here.. unless anyone has any great venture capitalists or investment brokers that would love to throw some funds at psy parties.. the economy sucks and its going to be harder to keep it goan with rising gas prices (just wait) and people getting laid off left and right.
its been a fun run, I'm going to keep coming out as long as I can and I'm going to do whatever I can to make shows happen in my neck of the woods this season, all I can do is try to be optimistic that things will improve.
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 16:47
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On 2009-02-21 09:22, vaxination wrote:
lol I find it ironic that you are giving us crap for getting off topic kevin. but your right.
I think we've pretty much covered most of whats going to be said on here.. unless anyone has any great venture capitalists or investment brokers that would love to throw some funds at psy parties.. the economy sucks and its going to be harder to keep it goan with rising gas prices (just wait) and people getting laid off left and right.
its been a fun run, I'm going to keep coming out as long as I can and I'm going to do whatever I can to make shows happen in my neck of the woods this season, all I can do is try to be optimistic that things will improve.
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Two things -
1.yep, Portugal is the opposite situation of the good old USA and way off topic.
2. Entertainment booms during depressions. The psy community is poised to do extremely well in bad economic times. What other music scene has headliners that play for a plane ticket, some beer, and a couch? For what it costs to book four psy headliners I can get one single non-psy headliner. The people that are going to suffer are the guys who book expensive acts. Psy has always been about the music and will always have a solid place in the underground due to its community based nature. If it ever gets really bad, I might stop booking DJ's that need hotel rooms and handjobs, but psy will always be possible. It may come down to booking four dudes from the the same state and making them carpool, but we will get er done...
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 19:07
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On 2009-02-21 09:22, vaxination wrote:
lol I find it ironic that you are giving us crap for getting off topic kevin. but your right.
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2. Entertainment booms during depressions. The psy community is poised to do extremely well in bad economic times. What other music scene has headliners that play for a plane ticket, some beer, and a couch? For what it costs to book four psy headliners I can get one single non-psy headliner. The people that are going to suffer are the guys who book expensive acts. Psy has always been about the music and will always have a solid place in the underground due to its community based nature. If it ever gets really bad, I might stop booking DJ's that need hotel rooms and handjobs, but psy will always be possible. It may come down to booking four dudes from the the same state and making them carpool, but we will get er done...
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Well said hardkornate, I miss you.
Whats so ironic? I know my sense of humor is hard to follow, I was one of the floss jobs I was talking towards. I SKrewE Myzelf Standing just as quick, I taint above anyone. This topic actually matters, We can work it out if we start thinking as a collective thought.... Let's Make It Happen, instead of giving up...
At least we are back in the States now
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famiable
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 20:16
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The Entertainment industry goes through a big drop in its aggregate value during any kind of recession (as entertainment is not a neccessity and is highly elastic economically) and even more so during a depression is normally worse.
Its very true that People shift from spending on big ticket events like expensive clubs to raves where they would hopefully spend less money by not paying 8-10$s for a drink but the problem then becomes political as club owners try to get the raves shut down as they lose customers to them.
Accordingly, i expect to see underground parties getting shut down by pressure from the club lobby who pay licensing fees and taxes to the government whereas raves do not.
Frankly, One of the things I wish would change in the psy community is the issue of payment to djs and artists..I have heard of too many promoters that make it seem like they are doing people a favor by giving them a slot and just doing slot exchanges with other promoters which is a nice way to play out. The psy scene is no different from any other scene in terms of promotion and I have learnt this from my recent experiences.
People "need money" to survive which is very unfortunate but is a "FACT OF LIFE" and should be recognized and addressed.
Artists who do this for a living should be able to sustain themselves and thats why I see more American artists move to Europe where they can make a living playing out. Case in point is Ocelot and recently Mubali who mentioned moving out recently in one of his blogs.
Promoters need to make money too for the risk they take in throwing an event which is always welcome and needed because it takes a lot of work to throw a successful one. If you dont see any return on your efforts and you do not have a steady stream of income, there is no incentive for good promoters to spend so much energy creating an exceptional event again.
An exceptional Effort should be rewarded accordingly imho or you will just have mediocre events which are falsely sold as "Killargh" and "mind-bending"
but the sad reality most of the times is that they are making money off other people's backs which is less than honorable imho. This practice is more prevalent in the psy community under the fake guise of "open mindedness" and community building.
I hope that in the near future, the psy community will weed out the promoters who take advantage of its weaknesses and focus their energy on promoters who throw a well intentioned and produced gathering EVEN though those gatherings might be a little bit more expensive to goto as people are being rightfully compensated for their efforts.
The problem is to get people to give more importance to these events to the extent that they feel it is worth paying more to goto them instead of clubs. The problem is that people in depressions are already short on money so finding an
"equilibrium price point"
where everyone gets paid and the price stays affordable enough becomes a delicate and hard task to achieve.
MindRift in Minneapolis is addressing this issue by throwing multi genre parties (with a dedicated psy room) to increase the attendence base while keeping the overall cost affordable. Multi genre parties come with their own set of problems but you gotta compromise somewhere imho.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 22:18
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I'm not understanding what making a living is all about on an individual level per our economy and I do understand sustainability.
The Promoter department has lots of variables that question Risk.. Risk are everywhere and sometimes are called "hazard pay". Some Promoters preach one thing and their actions do another, which also puts a dent in the sustainability per the local scene. I know this because we all are human and its easy to fall short of glory. Very good yet hard topic.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 22:44
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I really hope nobody is booking psy artists or DJs to "sure-up" their lineup; and play at a subsequent(irrelevant) stage, just to put more names on the flier and to attract the few hardcore psy-partygoers and make cover charge + drinks off them... |
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