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the economy and the local scene
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Moonclear
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Posted : Jan 28, 2009 22:25:31
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I'm eyeing the upcoming parties and my blood is too boiling and I've had enough 15,000 times over at the economic challenges I, an inexorably talented person, face every day; I often can't afford parties so sadly it's too ontopic twice over. My basic stance is that I don't know WHY all this is happening to me but I am so nice so I am sending out this red alert to everybody so I don't turn around a year later and find large grouops of people in the mire with me and I didn't forewarn them.
I'm an educated, White Asian, illegitimately adopted woman and I have all these mysterious and stupid problems. First of all I need extra help as a member of the trance community. For example, think to yourselves there is no reason to deny that there is at least one of us, or there is certainly many a talented person in a trailer park or in a poor African nation, who has no new clothes, is systematically shortchanged of necessities, and needs economic help, and then go about helping the person in a logical way. Next, I'm happy about upcoming parties but I gotta to tell you guys that I'm skeeved at my horrible poverty and you take care not to fall through the cracks (I'm on the tenant blacklist??? t or f?? - and I've never held a year lease -- wtf) as seems to be happening to me and probably to some other scene-oriented ppl -- creepy.
Hopefully we will all make it to the next party paying the millionaire door price for the little wristband in peace and prosperity.
peace
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 28, 2009 23:20
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How much do parties cost in your area? Have you offered to volunteer for entrance? It isn't exactly clear why you need "extra help" to get in the door...
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 04:30
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If you're educated and "inexorably talented", then why are you affected by the state of the economy more than anyone else in North America? It's gotten difficult, but anyone with any kind of skill or ambition at all isn't starving. Sorry.
There are plenty of ways around admission price. Volunteer, as Basilisk suggested. Send emails to the promoters and let them know about your situation. Get creative.
If transportation is a problem, there are plenty of ways around that too. Go with someone you know, take a bus, whatever.
You don't need extra help. You need to be optimistic and find ways around your problems. There's always an alternate way.
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kriz
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 13:35
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 2, 2009 00:00
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I'll just reply to your PM here so we can pay more attention to you:
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If you're educated and "inexorably talented", then why are you affected by the state of the economy more than anyone else in North America? It's gotten difficult, but anyone with any kind of skill or ambition at all isn't starving. Sorry.
>Sorry, Kane.
There are plenty of ways around admission price. Volunteer, as Basilisk suggested. Send emails to the promoters and let them know about your situation. Get creative.
>we have such different economic conceptualizations! -what a pleasure, to actually hear from someone who thinks wildly differently from me.
If transportation is a problem, there are plenty of ways around that too. Go with someone you know, take a bus, whatever.
>oh, OK.
You don't need extra help. You need to be optimistic and find ways around your problems. There's always an alternate way.
>That's so wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So no one ever needs extra help to get hired for the right job. That's so liberating for me that I found out. No one needs extra help renting an apartment, opening a door while carrying groceries, being saved by someone stepping in when it's late on the street and the person is being assaulted. I didn't know that. I can't wait until you write a book explaining your stance. This is SO GREAT that I now found out that I don't need extra help that now I feel as though all my crippling disabilities, physical incapacitation, and multiaspected nonfunctionalilty has just .. gone away ..
OF COURSE solving my problems NEVER includes writing my friends on isratrance about them. NEVER. Because I am an incompetent silence cultist??? Perhaps ... oh God, help me improve by never thinking about Kane again.
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I'm sorry, you're totally right. My living situation isn't as dependent on the state of the economy as yours. It must be such a hassle to deal with people like me. Trying to be helpful and understanding? What the fuck was I thinking?!
Come on people, let's get her the extra help she absolutely needs. There are children starving, people dying of terrible diseases, and now Moonclear can't afford to party? Such a twisted world.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 2, 2009 16:08
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There is no justice!
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Feb 2, 2009 16:59
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"Hopefully we will all make it to the next party paying the millionaire door price for the little wristband in peace and prosperity. "
Now you know how the people throwing the parties feel when they are coughing up thousands out of their own pockets knowing full well they will suffer a loss.
Something to think about while paying those "millionaire" door prices.
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mentalcandy
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Posted : Feb 2, 2009 17:30
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On 2009-01-28 22:25:31, Moonclear wrote:
I'm eyeing the upcoming parties and my blood is too boiling and I've had enough 15,000 times over at the economic challenges I, an inexorably talented person, face every day; I often can't afford parties so sadly it's too ontopic twice over. My basic stance is that I don't know WHY all this is happening to me but I am so nice so I am sending out this red alert to everybody so I don't turn around a year later and find large grouops of people in the mire with me and I didn't forewarn them.
I'm an educated, White Asian, illegitimately adopted woman and I have all these mysterious and stupid problems. First of all I need extra help as a member of the trance community. For example, think to yourselves there is no reason to deny that there is at least one of us, or there is certainly many a talented person in a trailer park or in a poor African nation, who has no new clothes, is systematically shortchanged of necessities, and needs economic help, and then go about helping the person in a logical way. Next, I'm happy about upcoming parties but I gotta to tell you guys that I'm skeeved at my horrible poverty and you take care not to fall through the cracks (I'm on the tenant blacklist??? t or f?? - and I've never held a year lease -- wtf) as seems to be happening to me and probably to some other scene-oriented ppl -- creepy.
Hopefully we will all make it to the next party paying the millionaire door price for the little wristband in peace and prosperity.
peace
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relax ............ if u can't go to parties then create your own shanti. chapora style 
bOm 
ps. i hate paying for parties as well.....
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adamzero
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Posted : Feb 2, 2009 21:10
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well, there are some upsides for the scene:
1. lower gas prices = cheaper airline tickets
2. lots more empty warehouses to be rented on the cheap (or on the dl) |
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 3, 2009 08:49
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Note to all party goers of the psytrance scene: the measly admission price is nothing compared to what organizers lose on the party.
Pay or play (or volunteer) your part. Heck, I've paid admission to get into parties, ended up playing and helped with setup/teardown/cleanup, and I was glad to do it and will probably end up doing it again. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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vaxination
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Posted : Feb 3, 2009 09:13
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On 2009-02-03 08:49, Ascension wrote:
Note to all party goers of the psytrance scene: the measly admission price is nothing compared to what organizers lose on the party.
Pay or play (or volunteer) your part. Heck, I've paid admission to get into parties, ended up playing and helped with setup/teardown/cleanup, and I was glad to do it and will probably end up doing it again.
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I hear that.. done it myself. I've lost my ass on parties too.. and if I had money, would do it again!
in the US its not a bunch of money making shit, most of the time, its for the love of the thing. so when you pay your admission price, keep that in mind.. it may seem like a stack of cash, but your talking venue renting fees, sound, deco, plane tickets, artist booking fees, porta potties, various misc expenses like generators and mowing to get the venue ready etc etc.. it all adds up.
then you pay out the artists, and what not and your lucky if you didnt lose your ass.
at least thats how it is in the midwest.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 3, 2009 22:57
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One reason the quality of parties is not high is that no one can live off the proceeds. Think about it: for the very same reason that we hope that some artists can make enough from licensing tracks and playing gigs to support themselves and focus on their art, promoters would also benefit from being able to focus on their craft full-time. But, as far as I know, just about no one in North America can afford to (in fact, the idea is really a joke given the real experience of the vast majority of people organizing an event). So: quality is where it is, and this remains a fringe business. It isn't all bad, however--the people that keep at it are generally more "pure" in their concept than someone operating with a profit-motive. We throw events because we like a good party ourselves, right? Far from wanting to make money, most people in the psytrance scene have what you might call a "break even" motive, or perhaps just a "hope I don't lose my shirt" motive. All this talk of millionaire door prices... well, it's related to Orb, as I see it (check the cross-posting), and that's really just one option. You can't get anything for free in this world except that which is digitized... and live experiences aren't. As they say: come to contribute, not to consume. But that's just one view...
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vaxination
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 01:08
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yea I mean really man.. if we wanted to live at it.. we would throw parties with few bells and whistles and fewer intentions..
I think the reason the scene retains integrity at all in the US is that its not gone as commercial as the rest of the world (I notice south america is growing exponentially, and yet, mostly cheesy israeli full on stuff seems to go off.. alright someone will hang me for that statement but you know what I mean, they are getting better and deversifying but who else is booking dali these days? brazil and mexico eat it up.. even if she fakes it ; ] but I digress..)
really.. I'd rather it be underground and maybe breaking even, if we could sustain at least that.. then fuck, I'd go all out all the time. I'm just trying to figure out the best plan of action to rekindle the ozarks scene right now, and I know other scenes have similar situations. Also it becomes a problem when you get to a certain size, the authorities see you as worth messing with, so then the police start hastling the parties and venues they are thrown at. It seems like alot of other countries are liberal about letting electronic music exist while in the US, its alright in clubs but you take it outdoors and immediately they slap the word rave on it and start trying to arrest people.
I thought about creating a LLC or something and paying taxes and doing everything legit, but I honestly dont think it would change anything.. and then you lose your ass plus taxes.. hahah.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 09:03
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sell drugs!
(flame on)
Wake walking through your sleep dream
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 09:47
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