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the cosmic octave and mathematics
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Axis Mundi
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moki
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 01:32
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of course.
do you mean the sentence that we are perfectly embedded as a lifeform in between of the ocean of frequencies? or do you mean the sentence about the frequencies in the dna, the shumann resonance and the pineal gland ( third eye)?
the second part is about spherics and proteins.
spherics are electromagnetic impulses in the atmophere of the earth. a scientist called baumer discovered that these spherics are quite clearly in relationship to each other corresponding to the octave, the fifth and the fourth and so on. they are almost identical to the diatonic tones from the scale of an earth day. it means that the spherics are in correspondence to the rotation of the earth.
so is dna. a scientist called fritz popp determined that the highest resonance maximum of the DNA corresponds to the 66th octave of the earth rotation.
=> SO the dna and the rna chains are in a state of harmonious resonance to the octave tones of the earth rotation.
if you consider research in the field of magnetoreceptors, you have to consider also the fact that the pineal gland of the human body ( third eye) is the strongest magnetoreceptor. and the pineal gland reacts on the smallest differences in magnetic waves. it starts to produce more melatonin and serotonin. essential is that they react on the shuman resonance which has been stated after a couple of experiments done with the pineal gland. the interesting thing
so at the end of the day, everything in the material world around us , or at least quite a few phenomena are in correspondence with the earth rotation. we are an overtone of it.
hope this was elaborate enough.
another thing is the brain itself and the delta and teta waves.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 12:27
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In answer to your question on the freqs.
Obviously this varies according to the base frequency used.
The relationship with octaves can be defined thusly from a post I made on Psymusic half a year ago:
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Octaves in the harmonic series are 2 to the power of n. where n is octaves higher then the fundamental.
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2^0 = 1st harmonic (fundamental or starting freq)
2^1 = 2nd harmonic
2^2 = 4th harmonic
2^3 = 8th harmonic
2^4 = 16th harmonic
2^5 = 32nd harmonic
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Therefore, the easiest way to generate the numbers you are after is to draw a chart with log scale on the y axis showing freq, and a linear scale on the x axis showing octave number. As you can now draw a straight line between octaves.
Then plot the points 1, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 & 2 to freq, and you will have your answer for any given base freq (or any subdivision you so choose).
In reference to me calling you narrow minded - this is inaccurate. I called you closed minded to the possibility that the more tangental theories may be false. This is true. Whether or not you find your own position personally offensive is your issue.
We are all closed minded about some or other things. That doesn't make us narrow minded. I do wish you would try and stop putting words in my mouth though, the number of times I've had to correct you on what I've actually said is getting ridiculous. I have given you the benefit of the doubt thus far.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 14:49
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Is there somewhere i can read a study on the measurement of the earth's frequency?
Where is it shown that earth's freqeuncy is a contant 7.8 or whatever?
Is it not a variable?
bad news for the distributors of these tuning forks and telsa watches.
what is this all about;
http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/earth/
"nominal frequency is approximately 11.5 mHz"
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 15:06
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no worries. I found it. its vibrating electrons in the ionsphere.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 16:08
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| Therefore, the easiest way to generate the numbers you are after is to draw a chart with log scale on the y axis showing freq, and a linear scale on the x axis showing octave number. As you can now draw a straight line between octaves.
Then plot the points 1, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 & 2 to freq, and you will have your answer for any given base freq (or any subdivision you so choose). |
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i will not have the answer that i was looking for, because i am interested in turning it from diatonic into chromatic and the way back. and this- for a five intervall octave ( which i first have to re-draw at all). i cant do this with this log table that you suggest. i will not have the last column of the table that i gave you. or do you have a sort of a picture what you mean. ( i know what you mean, but anyway if you have any picture, that can help me then right on.
this is also why people dont get the difference between the intervals ( not here but in other forums which are far less professional than here). between a chromatic and a diatonic intervall.
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the number of times I've had to correct you on what I've actually said is getting ridiculous |
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right. why do you need to correct me so much:). i am not here to make an analysis of what others said but to talk about music theory or whatever the subject. i am not even refering to anyone while writing, so i dont come well mit sentences like " you did not understand me, i never said etc". i am not here to make an analysis of a users speach. we got it int he last page also - just keep on the topic please:). you are not personal. fine. do we need to discuss it any more- if you were too personal i would not even answer your posts here. as was the case in the other topic about 432hz as well. stay on topic and it will all be fine. i am trying to be friendly with anyone here and i am not here to look after personal offense and discuss it after.
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| Where is it shown that earth's freqeuncy is a contant 7.8 or whatever?
Is it not a variable?
bad news for the distributors of these tuning forks and telsa watches. |
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who said that it is a constant? btw what you refer to, is the schumann resonance. see link above from axis mundi. and this is only one value of it, the lawest value.
the earth frequency as well has more than one value . you have frequency of earth day or frequency of earth year or even frequency of platonic year. they are all not a constant ( although they have only one value in the tables of cousto but this is only the basics. you can still pitch this value.. i guess you already know what we call constants in the physics. the earth frequency is not. and btw you can pitch it and make it even more complicated according to small differences in the rotation. this theory is not the las word. there is so much to study about it. i think i had a special video episode about possible future studies with akash. i have to see if i published it, and if not - i will. there is so much to do with this theory...
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moki
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 16:44
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@off topic@
i mean, Speakafreaka
, please correct me on facts instead. i am also often not understood but i am not telling you that in every post:).
sorry if i easily assume that it is personal offense but i have a bit different story in the forums. as i said especially in goabase on this subject, i was waiting any time in the night that those ppl come to my home and really get very violent as they suggested in the forum. so i realized that i am not between friends in the forums. just wanted to tell you, that to me the alternative that i am wrong is very existent. so i am not closed minded to this possibility.
well anyway. feel free to write whatever. i am the last to give rules about how you react here and what you write. anyway in isratrance everything is much more fun than in other places full of vampire souls. it is at least fun.
tell me about the table please, because i feel that ppl here are starting to get bored with so many non production facts.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 20:14
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Nice to have Moki's energy on the board again
I read the thread even alot of the links.The essence of it is nice and interesting indeed.
Some were rather boring,repetitive and not convincing for me though.
My opinion to mathematical systems as a means of 'healing' is that there are not any which are possible only by maths.
Music and healing & I believe in is like describing spirituality with figures.
It depends on other 'factors' .
Of course that is only my personal view of this things.
No matter how exact your mathematic is or will be,if you are not the right one you won't heal.
If you decided your door is closed than so it will be.
Simply as that and it is all subjective.
If you're not a medium or receptive than a pendulum for instance (I don't use was mentioned somewher above) is only a joke or a person in urgent need of help won't be receiving your delivering -vibes or energy- as an example.
But I do believe that such theories can strongen a powerful mind that is inspired by that and would be able to heal without them too.
In german it wold be lots of eazier for me but that is more or less my opinion about it.
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vipal
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 22:45
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Moki,
some comments, as you invited us.
its not about the content you bring up, but about your way of communicating.
in short:
either you embrace the scientific aproach like clearly described by speakafreaka or you stay away from it.
both is good for me.
but you cannot use arguments from the scientific domain (references of scientific research) as a
marketingtool for your products (just because this label has persuasive power in a debate, as we all kow) and at the same time piss on this aproach.
people who are living a rich life have and use what we call isoteric knowledge. i think this is because
they are not prepared to wait a few hundred years to wait for scientific proof of things that can benefit them right now. they use their intuition as a source of intelligence.
i have this also.
but i would never debate about this in a way that you do. To debate, to communicate. means in our world simply that you use a rational basis. this is the scientific aproach. whether you like it or not.
so i dont say that what you initial state is bollocks. but your way of communicating is faulty.
with this subject ( for now reducing your contribution to the claim that sound can be used for healing) it probably means that you have to aproach it in a different way.
invite people to experience a session, organize events, interview people, show how these intelligent people experienced positive things. use a humble aproach, like all intelligent spiritual traditions do.
only by showing love for the subject and people you can seduce others to experience positive things in the esoteric domain. maybe start yourself with undergoing sessions en report about this.
offcourse you are much more vulnerable with this aproach then with the mind against mind collisions you are organizing now. but it makes much more sense.
and please dont react again on this with bringing up tons of new information that i should read, i have seen that aproach too often. thats just a strategy to exhaust your counterpart. it really does not mean that you are right when your counterpart withdraws from a discussion.
stop for a moment when this urge comes up. dont fuel the manic mind again and again just because it feels so good. then you become like the hamster i had when i was 8 years old that was running and running in the wheel in his little cage.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 23:08
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marketingtool for your products (just because this label has persuasive power in a debate, as we all kow) and at the same time piss on this aproach. |
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i have nothing to sell btw. not even an advertising contact for those who watch my videos or whatever.
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okey, lets assume that my way of communicating is wrong ( i have good intentions to have a good conversation on isratrance so i will assume this now). can you please tell me why do you think that i dont use rational basis please? it would be of helf of me. to me it is very rational. is it possible for you or others here to accept the fact that to me everything i am talking about here is very rational??? so i fail to see why you tell me that i am not rational. can you do it with an example for instance? where do your rational minds feel cheated exactly? okey, i have of course another perspective, i see different things than you do, SO to me and my narrow broaded antropocentric perspective it is not possible to realize why you guys tell me that i am pissing on the rational approach. i dont understand why you say this.
but okey. anyway.
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thanks a lot for re-welcoming:). nice to see you here as well!! best greets to hamburg. nice to be allowed to have a discussion about the octave here.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 23:23
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))and btw another self of mine wants to write here that it is illogical to say that i have no rational approach because non of the scientifical approaches i had in this thread has been taken into comment.
no kidding. but i just wanted to have said that. |
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vipal
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 23:53
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of course i am not impartial. my subjective view of the issue is like jizy above. i dont even doubt. i ve experienced it that mathematics is the most essential thing in the universe and i dont need a certified prove. i dont believe in CERTIFIED proves so much btw, i believe in the VORBIDDEN SCIENCE that the people at the toproofs dont wanna let us experience..it is so much nicer to keep the human mind into small borders.
but this is because science is not the last frontier in my life.
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vipal
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 23:58
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Moki,
i am quoting YOU in this post.
make a nice documentary about hidden secrets of soundhealing, you have my (passive) support.
and i dont want to be nasty to you, but this is my last post, otherwise i become like this hamster i wrote about.
OK?
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moki
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 00:01
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so???
does this piss your scientific approach off in some way? this statement above does not deny the fact that the theory is a reliable model in terms of mathematics and physics.
i commented the chaos theory and its attractors as well as strange attractors. my conclusion was that the octave is an attractor. false or right?
i mentioned also the electromagnetic fields as well as tesla. my conclusion is that a synchronised field of more than one frequency sources, where the effect gets stronger according to the laws of resonance and atrainment. the field will start to resonate in fractal form in similarity to mandelsbrot and the golden means. false or right?
any statement? no.
so it is irrelevant if i see a further meaning in terms of a sacred thing.
even if i forget about it, there is a whole scientifical model behind it, wich no body here comments...
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 00:28
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OK.
Moki, I am still trying to find graphing software for your pic - I am on the case and will get back to you.
For myself, I am drawing a line under the increasingly negative and circular aspects of the conversation, and will be focussing on what we can agree on:
The maths and the phenomena is interesting.
It deserves further investigation.
At this point there are obviously things I would like to say on other subjects, that have arisen, but I'm not seeing the benefit to anyone in saying them. It is quite clear that on several things Moki and me do not agree at all, and I am comfortable to leave it at that.
Moki seems like a sincere and genuine person, and that is good enough for me at the end of the day, no matter how much I personally disagree.
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