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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 21:28
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hey, axis, sorry, i have no interest to read to whole thing. next time you come to my home you should come with a bit more open conversation to talk sincerely instead of explaining me things in forums after that, then you could probably get the answer of some of the questions you want me to answer here in public. if you dont find any interest in this topic, which is also something that you didnt express in this way in private, then you should read another one or keep a conversation with the other paticipants in this topic instead. okey?
your post is tiring me. may be i come later and read it till the end.
this is not a scientific website. well then it is fucking not scientific and you leave it.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 21:32
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but actually you dont even need to come to my home for a next time:).
i suggest you keep a conversation with the other participants in this topic instead.  cause i have no time to lose with nonsense.
i have no argument of my own, fucking ridiculous.
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Becktrank
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 21:37
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its all about theories. Science isnt perfect, there`s billions of subjects that we dont know how to explain, and millions of subjects that we just have theories, THEORIES, no one can proof. If you want you can make your own theorie. You cant proof that you are right, but no one can proof that you are wrong.
 ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 21:41
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what are these questions btw? what are the questions that i did not answer? sorry to turn you my back or whatever it was, i told you that i am not in a mood for guests cause i am flying in a few hours, you insisted to do this though. what are the qeustions that i did not answer to you? what are the questions that i dont asnwer here in this topic. i am answering questions since 30 pages. i dont remember that you talked anything about the octave at all btw. i asked you a few things to keep a conversation about it cause the other things dont really interest me but you are talking so many other things that dont interest me that i actually find it ridiculous that you behave in this way in this forum but right on. i have no interest to keep a conversation the way you do, cause you dont take any fact into consideration and actually you are losing my time. but i am sure mandari will be happy to finish the conversation with you, since i am too bad to do this instead.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:03
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okey now i read your quotes and looked for sentences ending with a question mark to see what did i not answer. mandari asked me to be polite.
1. do you know what is the difference between you and me? the difference is that i installed this software and tried these frequencies out. and i have a zapper to try it with an ill patient too. i will do the experiment what ever the fucking collegues say. and AFTER THAT i will know. AN YOU know this before you tried. you understand the difference. i dont fucking let anyone influence me before i tried it out myself. and after that i will know it through experimenting if it works or not. THIS IS SCIENCE! THIS IS EMPIRIC AND EXPERIMENTING! you know it after you read a couple of sentences in wikipedia. if carl sagan knew your method, he would be laughing at you.
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btw mandari told us in his post much better what is the problem with the frequencies but okey, let me answer this question mark so that you dont complain after that that i turned my back.
so the earth gets closer to the sun. so fucking what? what is this sentence? the only point of interest is the rotation per year, the rotation per day and actually what are you trying to tell me at all. i am losing my time. the only thing that changes is the elctromagnetic frequency. what else changes? do you think that the earth has a different frequency every day? wehat ever. science offen works with average values. but how deep are you involved with science actually?
okey, then it is a fucking empty idea. may be i am fucking empty as well. the more i turn my back, the more empty i get:). whatever it is.
i am off with this one.
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Suloo
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:14
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just dont loose your time moki..thats all
i think axis quotes are quite good to critizise and i actualy would be interest in what you think..but if you just loose your time then you might just get off here..and use your time instead.. -------......-------...-..-..-..-.-.-.-.- |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:15
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On 2009-08-05 21:13, Axis Mundi wrote:
I have an open mind, which is why I maintain interest in threads like these.
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how do you say in german? 'das ist good'
,,and about what you said about desperate people willing to believe anything. Consider this quote::
"But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams." -W.B. Yeats
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Suloo
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:17
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Das ist gut!
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:30
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cool.
in my language it is; " Dit is goed "
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:43
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| In 2002, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported that Clark and her son Geoff operated a restaurant and leased housing for patients at Clark's Tijuana clinic. The article described a couple whose daughter, suffering from spinal muscular atrophy, was treated for 10 months by Clark at a cost of approximately $30,000 without improvement. Despite the cost and lack of improvement, the couple stated that Clark insisted she was close to curing the child, and that stopping treatment might endanger her.[3] The patient's mother commented, "People don’t understand why we stayed so long, but Hulda Clark did a very good job of preying on us," and Clark, while stating she could not respond to the parents' allegations on grounds of patient confidentiality, denied their statements in general. |
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These were all statements taken from the same wikipedia article you mentioned earlier. Here you see that even Clark's colleagues in the alternative medicine field are warning against her practice. Why are they doing this?
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btw is this a question where you expect an answer? so you are blaming me for not answering such questions? how the hell can i know why do they do this? i know for sure that every single person that i find interesting ( see for an example my website for cases) gets a lot of critic in society , so i dont give a fuck why are they criticised as far as i dont read any facts agianst the theory - NOTE I NEED FACTS AND NOT GOSSIPS. i dont know why are they doing this, i dont even know if they exist or are they a product of the fucked up brain of those who wrote the wikipedia article. I NEED TO EXPERIMENT WITH THE WAVES MYSELF, i dont need your fucking empty critic and gossips written in a newspaper.. read her book, study what she says, go and study how the frequncies work. after that you come back in conversation with me in my topic. and telling me that i have no idea what i am talking about is fucking ridiculous of you. YOU ARE THE ONE who doesnt know what i am talking about.
but the way i find it absolutely ridiculous to tell me that i am giving you incorrect information about her degree. well she has a doctor degree according to my wikipedia. may be you should get one yourself instead of proving that she has no degree. which are the ppl that you quote , that have spent their whole life studying and working on this???????????? i dont see anyone except andrew veil who is worht mentioning in this article. what are they stating against her theory, i dont see any scientific facts in your quotes. not even one.
and whatever it is. i am happy that i do more than reading the fucking wikipedia articles and then after that being sure that i know everything about everyhting. in my university we all got 6 minus in our studies ( failed) if we put wikipedia as a prove. and you are trying to pesuade me that wikipedia is the last wisdom of science.
well whatever. keep on with your ridiculous method. as i told you, i will first try it out. you can continue your scientific approach with your fucking wikipedia sources. i prefer working on field.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 22:44
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On 2009-08-05 22:14, Zork wrote:
just dont loose your time moki..thats all
i think axis quotes are quite good to critizise and i actualy would be interest in what you think..but if you just loose your time then you might just get off here..and use your time instead..
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read my post above so that i dont fucking need to repeat the same bullshit 1000 times. please. thanks.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 23:00
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and generally why dont oyu just go to hell instead of quoting a gossip written by a newspaper and stating that i dont pay attention to this "scientific critic".
if you call your quotes science, then you have no fucking idea and i dont know what are you doing in this thread preaching on science. science means objective experimenting. not gossips.
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shellbound
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 23:43
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On 2009-08-04 13:24, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
but here we go - we have another theory that states that ALL ILLNESSES come from bacteria and parasites. even cancer. everything. so my advice is to be skeptical towards official science and drug administration offices. i am a big fan of carl sagan too and i respect his approach. but i dont see this approach offen in society. the skeptical thought is mostly directed to alternative medicine and not to the official one.
now here some links about this theory once more:
http://www.huldaclarkzappers.com/frequency22.html
there you find the frequencies for all illnesses listed by alphabet.
for an explanation of how illnesses are created, i recommend the book " the cure of all illnesses" by dr clark.
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so let me get this straight. you are talking about being skeptical and not taking anything at face value. then you recommend some authority figure which supports whatever it is you are trying to prove. not only is there no scientific proof of the ideas this "authority figure" is peddling or any kind of peer review, but we find out this "doctor" diagnosed someone with HIV, said they can cure them in 3(!!!) minutes, but not indefinitely and only until the successful 6(!!!) follow-up visits. and then after realizing she was being investigated, she closed her "clinic" in 2(!!!) days and skipped state (hardly an action an honest person with nothing to hide would do).
and you are still defending this person?
and you are blaming wikipedia as being a poor source of information? didn't you put links to wikipedia articles for some explanations yourself? i mean, wikipedia is not the ultimate truth, but it's a great way to get a condensed summary of whatever it is you are interested in and decide whether you want to investigate it further. in other words, a filter. and based on what was quoted before, it seems like a complete waste of time to investigate the ideas of this person further because it seems to be just some shady character that prays on either stupid or desperate and grieve-stricken people.
did you personally read her book? could you give me a summary of some good ideas presented there in your own words? i'm honestly curious. mostly in the "your own words" part.
i don't really know why you are bothering to "search" for truth, since it's pretty obvious you have decided a while ago what the truth was and are simply searching for some things that would readily fit into that idea.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 6, 2009 00:05
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no i am not defending this person.
i just like the software. it is very nice. the frequencies are really nice. i like them. i experiment. it is really nice, because they are not only simple frequencies like in the octave but they are pusating and vibrating. very nice. i find it really amazing. it helps me.
me myself , i have also my critical points towards some of her claims. but i like the frequencies. what i defend or fight against is the ridiculous way to tell me that i dont answer the questions about her critics. i find it fucking ridiculous to quote an article written by an american newspaper about a case happened to some patient of hers. to me it is very unserious to do this and to state that this is scientific critic.
and btw such posts like the last page really piss me off. "i dont know what i am talking about. i have no argument on my own. i am accepting anything i hear". you are accpepting anything you hear. you are relying on wikipedia and any other web 2.0 bullshit where the stupid masses have their power. i am not. i rely on scientific expriemnts. and the gossip of the newspapers are the last thing for me to evaluate.
bringing the fact that i turned my back in this discussion is more than pathetic.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 6, 2009 00:17
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yes i did. i am waiting for at least one serious argument against her claims, other than the gossips of the newspapers, where i can start. i cant give a summary of a whole book without a single point to start. what should i summerize? what does interest you? where is the falacy in her method.
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no, this is not true. in this conversation about clark axis is the one to decide what is the truth only by hearing the gossips. i decide AFTER I DO HE EXPERIMENT WITH THE SOFTWARE. not before this. and this is the scientifical way.
i gave wikipedia and i know that in every serious wikipedia article you will find also critic. it is good to know the critic. for instance i am interested to know what else does andrew weil say about her. and why. and btw i am reading german wikipedia not english wikipedia. there you find less gossip and more facts. and it is written that she has a doctor degree. whatever it is - physiology or zoology, well she has one. he is telling me that i am giving incorrect information that she has a degree. well she has one.
whatever it is. i am the only one in this conversation who doesnt believe anything she hears. you believe any bullshit you read. if you read that she turned the back to andrew weil you will probably know exactly how unscientific her moethod is.
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