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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 01:35
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Yup, that's it.
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moki
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great to learn that there is a special term for this in science - sympathetic resonance. this term is for vegetal from the last topic who was telling me it was not a resonance ( about the "sypathetic resonance" between the following three things :
- the space and the stars
- the standard pitch and the harmonic series of 432 hz
- and the water in the human organism
so do we agree now that if you want to be in a sympathetic resonance with the stars, then you have to tune in 432 hz? is it more plausible now?
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| These were all statements taken from the same wikipedia article you mentioned earlier. Here you see that even Clark's colleagues in the alternative medicine field are warning against her practice. Why are they doing this? |
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well, i will tell you something about this cases from my personal point of view. i dont take any such case into consideration as an argument against a theory. why? i know something for certain - the people of this century who are gonna be the change in the evolutionary swift of consciousness , are all an aim of critic of the masses. always. believe me. for example in comparison to the so called crystal children, the indigo children are believed to be very powerful and arrogant in their behaviour : they have to be so, so that they put new ideas in the air. and they are always critisised strongly by lots of ppl. so to me, this is the last thing to take into consideration. i read all those cases and also exactly this case from switzerland , only in order to search for reliable critical arguments. and i am sure there are some points that can be critisised about this sort of healing. but the social counter wind is the last thing to persuade me.
i just wanna know why does it have to be forbidden? why is her method a thread for social health????? why do they say a substantive public health danger???? why is this a danger????
why are the other methods of healing, like antibiotica or whatever not a danger???????? why do we believe anything that the official authorities say???????
i find it plausible that if you fight bacteria, and if you put them onto a frequency that they dont like, they will dissapear. did you know the modern theories about bacteria? we have 3 kilogram bacteria in our bodies. actually our genetic code as humans is a code of bacteria ( according to this modern theory). bacteria influence everything we do - thats why you notice differences between nations according to what bacteria they live together with. till now science always believed that we are autonome beings , but actually we are not really , cause we live in symbiosis with bacteria and parasites. well i want to say, that i got a different view about bacteria recently. i can imagine that they are creating all diceases in the human body. why not? i mean, why should i believe the official science from the school. i actually hated the school. everything i learned about this world, i learned it from alternative sources. i really recommend this book " the forbidden science". they are not telling us everything.
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Axis Mundi
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| so do we agree now that if you want to be in a sympathetic resonance with the stars, then you have to tune in 432 hz? |
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Not really. I fail to see the connection in sympathetic resonance between tuning forks of the same of any pitch with space and the stars. At least, I don't see what it has to do with the more recent topic of zappers or whatever they are, and the idea the two tuning forks of equal pitch resonating with each other doesn't imply anything special about 432 or 440 hz or anything.
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The people I quoted above are authorities only because they have been to school and studied these things and made it their life's work. They are not in positions of government, they are not trying to sell me products. They ARE colleagues in the alternative medicine field to this Clark person. They are also referenced in the same article you relied upon to back up your side of the discussion so it makes no sense to me why you would source that (and you sourced it inaccurately as a degree in physiology is only one of Clark's many claims despite evidence in the very same sentence which proves this is false) and completely dismiss that which contradicts your point, even though the person saying it spent their whole life studying the field as opposed to just reading it out of a new age book and assuming it is fact.
Debunking an instance of medical quackery doesn't imply that I am arguing for the "official authorities" (as you mean) or that I believe everything they say.
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| i just wanna know why does it have to be forbidden? why is her method a thread for social health????? why do they say a substantive public health danger???? why is this a danger???? |
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Because it's presented in a way that it is easy for desperate people to believe in, and if they choose to pursue this particular form of treatment instead of medicine that is proven to work, the likelihood that they will die of their curable sickness is greatly increased.
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| why are the other methods of healing, like antibiotica or whatever not a danger???????? |
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They can be dangerous, however the risk is very very low as millions of people have taken antibiotics over the years and millions of instances of diseases have been cured as a result. But we're not talking about antibiotics here. [/quote]
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It's not forbidden, at least in the USA, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to go around touting it as a cure-all medicine with no real proof behind it besides what you engineer, especially when your background is in zoology and botany and not human medical practice. This is why the USA forces people like this to plaster disclaimers all over their websites, so people are not fooled into thinking it is something that works, when obviously it doesn't. Of course, it doesn't seem to do as much good as they are hoping.
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| actually our genetic code as humans is a code of bacteria |
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Completely untrue, lol. DNA is made up of nucleotides composed of phosphates and sugars and DNA is present in bacteria as well as humans. DNA is a code IN bacteria (and every other known life on earth) not a code OF bacteria. lol, who told you that, anyway?
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| thats why you notice differences between nations according to what bacteria they live together with. |
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What differences are you talking about, exactly?
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| so that they put new ideas in the air. and they are always critisised strongly by lots of ppl. |
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Scientists are also criticized by lots of people. You aren't special there.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 04:45
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i have an allergy with such arguments like this one with the word "completely untrue".
especially if i said that this is a modern theory about bacteria. who told me that? the scientific magazines that i am following told me that in their latest articles and reports. now you want me to go to google and give you the link right? i will do this in a second, i just wanna comment your first sentence about the resonance.
i find this experiment that i described here on the last page very important because it shows that 2 hz are significant enough to make a difference if the tuning fork resonates or not. and even if this is the same musical note, the 2 hz seem to make a difference. 2 hz difference decide if a fork starts to vibrate or not.
it is the same in the water in the human body ( we all know that we have a lot of water in our body between the cells). 8 hz difference will make a big difference for this water, as it has been showed in experiments with water.
I HOPE that EVERYONE in this thread is informed about the water and the effects of sound on the water as discovered by masaru emoto.
if we know that the frequency of the earth rotation is 432 hz, then we know that the water in the human body will either resonate with this frequency or not resonate. obviously with a standard pitch of 440 hz it will NOT RESONATE.
is it more clear? or not?
about dr clark. yeah now we got it that she gets critisised but did anyone get what are the point of criticism exactly?????
so the patient will die because he believed that her method treats him???? but if he really believed this and if there is a placebo effect, then why not ????? at the end of the day, the psychic energy can heal anything. if you believe that you will be cured, then you will really be cured.
i dont know if she said anything that is against the official medicine...btw i can quote at least 200 ppl from the scientific world that state that chemotherapy is bullshit. not only she. but anyway, i think that this is kind of off topic because it doesnt deal with real arguments about the frequencies she uses, which is the actual topic. i brought this to conversation here about the zapper only because someone told me many times that i dont give prove that sound is used in medicine.
you say it is not forbidden, but this is exactly what those cases you are talking about want to reach.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 11:53
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I thought you were going to google me a link. 
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Well, technically, 1 Hz will make a difference.
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I HOPE that EVERYONE in this thread is informed about the water and the effects of sound on the water as discovered by masaru emoto.
Masaru Emoto (江本勝, Emoto Masaru?, born July 22, 1943) is a Japanese author known for his controversial claim that if human speech or thoughts are directed at water droplets before they are frozen, images of the resulting water crystals will be beautiful or ugly depending upon whether the words or thoughts were positive or negative. Emoto claims this can be achieved through prayer, music or by attaching written words to a container of water. These claims have been strongly criticized as pseudoscience.
Since 1999 Emoto has published several volumes of a work titled Messages from Water, which contains photographs of water crystals next to essays and "words of intent." |
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Why would EVERYONE be informed about him? LOL Please don't get me started on this guy.
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| if we know that the frequency of the earth rotation is 432 hz, then we know that the water in the human body will either resonate with this frequency or not resonate. obviously with a standard pitch of 440 hz it will NOT RESONATE.
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No, because it's not clear what the water on 75% of the planet's surface is doing or not doing according to this frequency, let alone what is in our bodies.
And regarding what "we" know, how do "we" know that the frequency of the Earth's rotation is 432 Hz? Just because that one Planetware dude said so? Has that finding been corroborated by any independent studies? Maybe you did link it and I just missed it in the tangled mess earlier in this thread, and if so, please link again.
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| but did anyone get what are the point of criticism exactly????? |
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In a scientific sense, criticism is about testing arguments and detecting fallacious or fraudulent arguments.
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| so the patient will die because he believed that her method treats him???? |
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No, the patient could probably die because her method DIDN'T treat him.
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"If, if, if"... Sounds like more of a hypothesis than fact, to me. Faith healing does NOT have a very good track record.
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| at the end of the day, the psychic energy can heal anything. if you believe that you will be cured, then you will really be cured. |
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Prove it please. LOL, if that were the case, then why do we need petty rituals like zappers and chemotherapy at all? Why can't we just wish our cancer and HIV to go away and our severed limbs, failed organs, and brain disorders to grow back anew? If all it took were psychic power to do these things, and if anyone and everyone could do them, don't you think people would have thrown away the medical system a LONG time ago? How would some conspiracy of closed-door secret societies be able to stop EVERYONE and ANYONE from healing themselves at any time they wished?
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| i brought this to conversation here about the zapper only because someone told me many times that i dont give prove that sound is used in medicine. |
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That was probably the worst example you could have given. That woman is the modern day version of those people who used to go from town to town peddling magical cure-all elixirs. Here is a better one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_ultrasonography
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 13:02
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ok,
seems to get interesting again 
so..... i have to say i never heared about that emomoto masarati guy or whoever. but anyway i have to agree this theory as anyone can prove him/herself. and i found this also in a long and scientifical story by lyall watson who experimented the same way only difference was that the water "had a listen" to different kind of music before. as i mentioned in another thread, the water was not able to build our well known snowflake like ice crystals when it was surrounded by smashing metallica or dimmu brgir tunes. on the other side it built crystals never seen before in nature and much more coplex than the ones we know after it was surrounded by the nice and smooth tunes of maybe bach and mozart.
this is a fact and proven by many more people than only watson. this is the guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson
and the book i mentioned (in german called "geheimes wissen - das natürliche des übernatürlichen) i found now in english which is also still bestselling and called "supernature".....
it´s all about the natural of the supernatural which goes hand in hand with everything we know about sound, freq. and resonance.
just to give my mustard to the story
secondly i agree that even half hz is a difference. and this can make a big difference. just think about your brain workin on a specific frequency. now to let it resonate and cause in a epileptic seizure u just have to send the exactly same frequency. and these differences there are much smaller than 1hz..... well experimented by germans and russians since over eighty years (some say more, i dunno) now =D anyway think we´re all talking the same here. sure any difference is a difference
now i thought about the frequency of the earth thingy and can only say that i can find no sense there as the frequency is changing day by day and even more fast every day as we come more close to the switch into the next dimension of the earth. anyway it changes since it exists and there is no exactly frequency of it imo.... they maybe calculated a intersected frequency dunno.
saludozZ
 FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
http://soundcloud.com/mandarimedia
http://banyan-records.com |
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moki
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| And regarding what "we" know, how do "we" know that the frequency of the Earth's rotation is 432 Hz? Just because that one Planetware dude said so? Has that finding been corroborated by any independent studies? |
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now dont make me repeat the simplest things 5 times please. we know it because it is simple mathematics. the fact that you write this, makes me wanna advice you to read more and write less. i am not gonna repeat it once more and if you still dont get the formula about the simplest things, you can either read the thread once more or write a private message for the things that are unclear. i dont wanna lose the time of the readers in this thread with the same simple thing 1000 times.
we dont know how the water reacts? well we do know, but only those of us who follow the latest development of science. music creates specific structures in the water. never heard of the hexagrams in the water structures after being treated with sound? i said i hope, because if you never heard of it, you probably did not understand a big part of what i was talking in the first 10 pages.
i am not in this thread to prove placebo. if i start with this, the mod will probably early or later tell me that the topic doesnt belon here and will close it. which is not what i want. i am here to discuss frequencies and healing with frequencies. i am giving you examples of what ppl out there do. and i find it funny that the arguments i read are more than pathetic. i expect an argument about falacies in any theory, an argument about being wrong. i havent seen one in this case yet besided that the patient will die because she did not cure him. she doesnt insist on leaving all traditional methods of healing behind. you can try her method parallel to them. so the patient will not die or at least not leave any other methods of healing. btw the patient with cancer will die anyway.
if you ve seen movies about healing cancer with entheogens, you will see that all those healers with iboga or ayahuasca also get criticised and are not acknowledged by official food and drug administration officies. many say that the patient will die too. so fucking what. treatment happens nevertheless. and if you wanna criticises, then right on with scientific facts. i dont say that there are not such facts to critiscise about the lady but i havent heard one till now so you are losing time.
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it is a german magazin called pm magazin. i will show you the article later one day so that you can see what i mean. no time to search for it on google right now. it is very simple: the differences between my dna and yours can be quite well described with the differences between my and your bacteria. with one word, if you know the code of the bacteria you can almost have precisely the code of the human that hosts this bacteria and parasites. the bacteria influence everything we do, incl our charackter. and large regions have similar bacteria which is why there is something like a biological mentality that is common for lots of ppl who live in the same place.
now i am tired of your empty arguments and go to drink coffee and clear the bacteria out of my skin. 
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moki
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 17:32
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That is totally not a scientific website.
If you don't want to talk about / prove things like:
placebo
sexism
zappers
etc.
Then stop bringing them up in the conversation. Nobody else is doing this but you.
Why do you keep bringing up official food and drug administrations? The quotes I quoted are from peers in the scientific world who criticize their colleague's work. None of the quotes I quoted are from "official" government offices of any kind. Why do you have nothing to say about that? Why do you keep drawing it back to these government offices when nobody else is referencing them?
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| you probably did not understand a big part of what i was talking in the first 10 pages. |
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You're right, I don't, because more than half of the first 10 pages and beyond consists of you ranting and going off on wild tangents about all sorts of topics such as taking Goabase to court, zappers, and all sorts of hogwash that doesn't have anything to do with the topic you started. I suspect it's because you don't have any real argument of your own and when confronted with things you can't answer, it's easier to try to distract readers with things like that rather than admit that you don't know what you're talking about.
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| if you wanna criticises, then right on with scientific facts. i dont say that there are not such facts to critiscise about the lady but i havent heard one till now so you are losing time |
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Like what? That there are more testimonials to fraud, malpractice, lack of positive effects of treatment, and more than any evidence of anything beneficial coming from these treatments? Like that DNA is proven NOT to be made of bacteria? Like the orbit of the Earth is changing daily as the earth slowly gets pulled closer to the sun and the moon's orbit tugs on the earth even as the moon itself is pulled closer to the earth?
About differences in DNA, seeing as how there is only about 2% difference in the DNA structure of a human and a salamander, I highly highly doubt there is a huge difference in DNA between you and I, and bacteria isn't even a part of it.
My empty arguments? What about your empty ideas? Because that's all they are when you have nothing to back up your claims. If you want to grow increasingly negative and condescending, and avoid answering anyone's questions, you are not the only one who can play that game. You can be an indigo child or whatever all you want and arrogantly spout out the first things that come to your head or assume every theory is fact all you want to but without anything to back it up you are just blowing hot air... not exactly world changing. The burden is on you to provide scientific proof to your theories, you have been asked nicely to do so, and so far all you have done is post links to people semi-legitimately (at best) trying to make money off of me, keep attempting to steer the topic off course because you cannot directly answer the questions people have been asking you, and grow increasingly negative and condescending to anyone who repeatedly confronts you with things you cannot answer and completely dismissing or ignoring them. I'm open to the possibility that your theory has potential but with every post you make you are only drawing the conclusion for everyone reading this that your ideas are complete nonsense, you have no argument of your own, and it all seems to be quite contradictory to your intentions, which I believe to be good, however sorely misguided. Even when I began asking you direct questions to your face personally, you were unable to answer anything at all and instead had to look away and turn your back to me. Your logic is so full of loopholes that it looks like a hula hoop convention seen through a kaleidoscope. Sorry, not trying to be mean, but its how you're presenting yourself.
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Axis Mundi
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Hey guys, I was reading a study by physicist Dr. Bruce Banner which states he has proven a theory that heavy doses of gamma ray radiation can turn ordinary people into huge green behemoths capable of superhuman strength in direct proportion to their anger level. The basics of the theory can be found here:
http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(Bruce_Banner)
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On 2009-08-05 17:47, Axis Mundi wrote:
Hey guys, I was reading a study by physicist Dr. Bruce Banner which states he has proven a theory that heavy doses of gamma ray radiation can turn ordinary people into huge green behemoths capable of superhuman strength in direct proportion to their anger level. The basics of the theory can be found here:
http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(Bruce_Banner)
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Is it a kind of bacteria wich is in all of us?
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I entirely understand moki's frustration on this topic,, and her concern for a pappa fighting cancer.
I also have lost of a loved one to this decease.
'Kimo Therapy' drastically reduce living quality and does not work most of the time. -this i have witnessed.
It is understandable to seek alternative healing.
We know very little about the universe thus far. Or do you argue?
-axis- Critical thinking is important but let us keep an open mind.
Capitalist thrive on the saying that;" a fool gets born every minute"
We should take care not to fall in this category.
for now, my focus on this topic have shifted towards tuning systems.
golden ratio, just intonation, the pythagorean musical spiral, music history, ect. so much to read&study.
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Axis Mundi
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On 2009-08-05 20:48, *eLliSDee* wrote:
-axis- Critical thinking is important but let us keep an open mind.
Capitalist thrive on the saying that;" a fool gets born every minute"
We should take care not to fall in this category.
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I have an open mind, which is why I maintain interest in threads like these. You are right about your saying there, which is exactly why I don't take reference sites with a vested financial interest in trying to sell me something a seriously as I would take actual scientific study/evidence.
Desperate people will believe in whatever they want to believe.
You are also right that we know very little about the universe thus far but what we do know we have learned through science and critical thinking. Science does not have all the answers, however it's a self-correcting process.
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