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the cosmic octave and mathematics

moki
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Posted : Aug 3, 2009 15:25
btw i really need an advice for the sound card for this software for healing of illness with frequencies.

now i have this software which has been made for hospitals and includes ca. 5000 different illnesses with a program of 30 min and 8 different frequencies for each illness. i find this software really interesting and tried it out a few times with the ill patient already. but i dont know. i think it is a bit too late for this patient right now...but he really enjoyed the frequencies for cancer pain.

but the software is amazing. it should be discussed in a different topic, cause the theory comes from dr clark and is not connected to cosmic octave. they only common thing is the healing through sound.
i just wanted to mention it, cause it is really an interesting thing. it is based on the fact, that all illnesses come from parasites and bacteria and if you put this creatures on special frequencies, they dissapear.
vafl

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Posted : Aug 3, 2009 19:36
here u can find a sound card - any should do the job. http://forum.isratrance.com/the-mother-of-all-soundcards-thread/


chanting-mantring-.., singing is first form of healing technique with sound so that is also good to know.
moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 03:46
thanks for the direct link.
well i am not so much into sound cards but i need something that can generate the perfect square waves for 10 khz. and i need a good bandwidth. the card of my laptop is disastrous for this purpose. and the software is installed on my laptop - this makes it easy to move with the database of the frequencies and use them for any given " patient".

btw i was not very exact to tell you that this has nothing to do with the cosmic octave except the healing. it has to do. it is build on harmonics. the different frequencies for an illness are build like harmonic series.
moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 03:47
ups 10 khz i mean. a bandwidth of 200khz?
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 12:19
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i just wanted to mention it, cause it is really an interesting thing. it is based on the fact, that all illnesses come from parasites and bacteria and if you put this creatures on special frequencies, they dissapear.



While I see this as plausible regarding certain frequencies and certain bacteria, the FACT is that not all illnesses are caused by parasites and bacteria.

In the end, I get a lot more merit about looking at this whole theory artistically rather than scientifically. In the end I don't really think the evidence supplied with the theory amounts to anything earth-shattering in the name of science and medicine, but I do have to say it does make for some creative concepts for tone generating on my synth.


I'd like to take a moment to recommend a good book in this thread. It's one that certainly made me think about the way people think a lot differently. It's called "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. I posted about this in the "Books" section, but honestly, who goes there. Here's a short synopsis about the book, both in my own words and quoted from wikipedia.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark is a book by astrophysicist Carl Sagan, which was first published in 1995.

The book is intended to explain the scientific method to laymen, and to encourage people to learn critical or skeptical thinking. It explains methods to help distinguish between ideas that are considered valid science, and ideas that can be considered pseudoscience. Sagan states that when new ideas are offered for consideration, they should be tested by means of skeptical thinking, and should stand up to rigorous questioning.

In the book, Sagan states that if a new idea continues in existence after an examination of the propositions, it should then be acknowledged as a supposition. Skeptical thinking essentially is a means to construct, understand, reason, and recognize valid and invalid arguments. Wherever possible, there must be independent validation of the concepts whose truth should be proved. He believes that reason and logic would succeed once the truth is known. Conclusions emerge from premises, and the acceptability of the premises should not be discounted or accepted because of bias.

As an example, Sagan relates the story of the invisible fire-breathing dragon living in his garage. He asks, "what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true."

Sagan presents a set of tools for skeptical thinking which he calls the "baloney detection kit". Skeptical thinking consists both of constructing a reasoned argument and recognizing a fallacious or fraudulent one. In order to identify a fallacious argument, Sagan suggests the employment of such tools as independent confirmation of facts, quantification and the use of Occam's razor. Sagan's "baloney detection kit" also provides tools for detecting "the most common fallacies of logic and rhetoric", such as argument from authority and statistics of small numbers. Through these tools, Sagan argues the benefits of a critical mind and the self-correcting nature of science can take place.

Sagan provides a skeptical analysis of several kinds of superstition, fraud, pseudoscience and religious beliefs, such as gods, witches, UFOs, ESP and faith healing. However, based on what he describes as "some, although still dubious experimental support," Sagan calls for serious scrutiny of a handful of seemingly inexplicable phenomena such as reincarnation and psychokinesis, not because he regards them as likely to be true, but because anomalous data deserves close scientific study.



In short, the book encourages a skeptical analysis of many claims and ideas of the past and today as well as questioning reality, including science itself, using a scientific method of thinking and gathering conclusions. A large premise of the book deals with the potential, both good and bad, of science and its effect on our society in comparison with religion and other forms of spirituality, including the dangerous recipe of science combined with ignorance of the scientific method.
vafl

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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 13:05
@Moki.Time.Wave.Zero
any sound card can do what u need, problem is in speaker membrane i think they must be able to reproduce all frequencies that sound card is spitting out from computer...

find list of frequencies that u need in healing process and watch at speaker specifications to find out if they can reproduce them.

lower frequencies are the problem on speakers and to be able to reproduce them they must be big (big membrane)

for example: this sound system doesent reproduce anything belove 45 hz http://cgi.ebay.com/2-NEW-TECHNICAL-PRO-15-2100-WATT-DJ-PA-SPEAKER-SYSTEMS_W0QQitemZ390065341102QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad1b4c2ae&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

*Frequency Response: 45Hz-20kHz*


*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 13:22
for your laptop you can get very good FireWire sound interface.
There are elaborate expensive ones with lots of extra inputs and so on.. and you get simpler ones
check it out
http://www.tweakheadz.com/audio_interface_fw_comparison_chart.htm

I've learned a lot of music theory since the start of this thread,, from history to math to tuning systems to scales to watching sitar playing videos all worth it thx

i guess it is worth a try to test the healing possibilities sound.
moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 13:24
the strange thing that i notice is the paradox in this post of axis above.
so where is the skeptical analysis regarding the theory of dr clark and regarding the modern science? yes, we have all visited the biology lessons in the school and know what the official science has to say about bacteria and parasites. we know the official FACTS of the science.
but here we go - we have another theory that states that ALL ILLNESSES come from bacteria and parasites. even cancer. everything. so my advice is to be skeptical towards official science and drug administration offices. i am a big fan of carl sagan too and i respect his approach. but i dont see this approach offen in society. the skeptical thought is mostly directed to alternative medicine and not to the official one.

now here some links about this theory once more:
http://www.huldaclarkzappers.com/frequency22.html
there you find the frequencies for all illnesses listed by alphabet.

for an explanation of how illnesses are created, i recommend the book " the cure of all illnesses" by dr clark.
*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 13:26
what about earphones.
my sony MDR-7506 go down to 10hz. cheap to
moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 13:26
*eLliSDee* , thanks a lot for the tip, i will check.
moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 13:27
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On 2009-08-04 13:26, *eLliSDee* wrote:
what about earphones.
my sony MDR-7506 go down to 10hz. cheap to




the biggest problem is that it has to vibrate (like touching). it is exactly like the tuning forks of the cosmic octave theory. and please note once again that this with the healing frequencies above , is not a part of the theory of the cosmic octave. but i dont think that it is a close theory. it can be always expanded further and connected to other theories.
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 14:02
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On 2009-08-04 13:24, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
the strange thing that i notice is the paradox in this post of axis above.
so where is the skeptical analysis regarding the theory of dr clark and regarding the modern science? yes, we have all visited the biology lessons in the school and know what the official science has to say about bacteria and parasites. we know the official FACTS of the science.
but here we go - we have another theory that states that ALL ILLNESSES come from bacteria and parasites. even cancer. everything. so my advice is to be skeptical towards official science and drug administration offices. i am a big fan of carl sagan too and i respect his approach. but i dont see this approach offen in society. the skeptical thought is mostly directed to alternative medicine and not to the official one.

now here some links about this theory once more:
http://www.huldaclarkzappers.com/frequency22.html
there you find the frequencies for all illnesses listed by alphabet.

for an explanation of how illnesses are created, i recommend the book " the cure of all illnesses" by dr clark.




OK, here it is.

Firstly, I don't feel like I need to list all of the things I am skeptical about when it doesn't relate to the topic at hand. For example, drug administration offices. I never mentioned my faith or skepticism in institutions like that so stating my skepticism about this theory doesn't imply anything about my position on these other things... so it's best not to assume.

Regarding Dr. Clark and her biofeedback machines...

I am googling Dr. Clark right now and I cannot find a single independent study by any scientist or scientific institution backing up or corroborating her claims or products. In fact, I did read something interesting in the disclaimer on her website, found here:

http://www.drclark.net/en/disclaimer.php

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The webmaster of this site is not a medical doctor. This is not medical advice, but merely a reference to Dr. Clark's findings. For medical advice, consult with your physician. Please note that reference to Dr. Clark's findings does not imply that these findings have been corroborated by other scientists.



So if Doctor Clark is not a doctor, than what is Doctor Clark, exactly?

But then there is this:

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Consumers are cautioned to check with local, regionalized legal counsel and/or health care professional(s) before making any purchases of membership, products and/or services on the site.



This quote from the disclaimer is also interesting.

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Dr. Clark’s findings are intended to benefit normal structure and function and are not prescribed as treatment for medical or psychological conditions, nor for diagnosis, care, treatment or rehabilitation of individuals, nor to apply medical, mental health or human development principles.

This product is intended to support general well being and not intended to treat disease. If conditions persist, please seek advise from your medical doctor.



This taken from Clark's very own site leads me to believe that there is no scientific approach taken in the development of these products. In short, there is no proof that these products do anything at all besides bring peace of mind.

Regarding illnesses, bacteria and parasites:

I don't believe it. It's not up to me to prove this theory wrong, it's up to the theory creator to prove him/herself wrong or right. Until then, it's just a theory. Not something I'd stake my health on except as an extreme means of last resort.

Regarding Carl Sagan:

The reason you don't see this approach in modern day society is because most people don't operate along a scientific/critical thinking mentality. This is exactly what this book is about.

Contrary to your perceptions regarding Sagan's views on alternative medicine, he has numerous times used specific examples of how shamen in the Amazon (or anywhere else) apply the scientific method in their art. Tribesman comes to him with an infection. Root A seems to have no effect. Root B actually irritates the infection and makes it worse. Herb C reduces and kills the infection. Therefore, the shaman offers Herb C to Tribesman and anyone in the future who comes to him with a similar infection. This is a scientific method. The shaman combined the ayahuasca root with the MEO inhibitor by applying a scientific method in the same way in an attempt to strengthen the root's psychedelic potency.

What Sagan warns against is assuming ANYTHING as fact without any information or data to back it up, including "modern" science. In fact, he specifically warns numerous times about the dangers of our skyrocketing scientific potential compared to our every day knowledge about science.
moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 21:11
) okey.

(btw i dont know why but i prefer to discuss things with you in private:)#may be you call me next time you are in berlin again, then i will demonstrate this software to you. last time as we were in my flat i didnt have the software yet.

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So if Doctor Clark is not a doctor, than what is Doctor Clark, exactly?



- first of all. now, this argument is a bit too unserious with the webmaster. dr clark is not the webmaster of her website, you know. according to wikipedia she has a doctor degree in physiology. but may be your google tells you that she has no degree? you know, i am sure that in some countries google does not allow anything that has not been accepted by the official drug administration office. i can imagine that this can happen in germany soon too. at the present time lots alternative methods are forbidden by law. you can pay a lot of money if you advertise an alternative method in public that has not been accepted by the authorities.

- second, this what you describe with sagan is not CONTRARY to my perceptions. to me all my perceptions are strongly connected to science. but i have an inclination for forbidden science.

btw right now i am reading a very interesting book, it is called the spirit of water, by ellyard . there is an interesting experiment with the tuning pitch of 440 hz. about the resonance of the tuning forks. three tuning forks are places near one another about 10 cm from each other. two of them have the same hz , the third has 2 hz more than the first two. what happens if you put the first one in vibration? well , the second one starts to vibrate only through the air interraction, the third one doesnt vibrate. why? because the first one had the same hz and the second had two hz more. doy ou understand what i mean with this? i find the experiment very important.

whatever, call me if you are in berlin again. i will be happy to show you the software.

psy greets, tina
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 00:10
Sure, I'll call you again next time I'm in Berlin. Thanks for having me over.

Anyway, back to this discussion:

According to the wikipedia article I'm reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark

Dr. Clark "states" that her degree is in physiology, however, according to the official records of her university, her degree is in zoology with a minor in botany. I'm no medical expert, but to me this does not qualify her as a doctor fit to offer medical treatment to humans. So yes, while she may be a "doctor", it's because she holds a PhD and not because she studied any form of human medical practice.

Reading further through the wikipedia article you mentioned, there are some interesting cases of legal issues she's encountered during her "career" which are worth reading, such as these:

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In 1993, while Clark lived and practiced in Indiana, a former patient complained to the Indiana attorney general. An investigator for the Indiana Department of Health and a deputy attorney general visited her office incognito as part of a sting operation. Clark proceeded to test the investigator and "told him he had the HIV virus [sic], but said that he did not have cancer." She told the investigator that she could cure his HIV in 3 minutes, but that he would "get it back" unless he committed to returning for six more appointments. She then ordered blood tests from a laboratory. Upon learning of the undercover investigators' status, Clark stated that everything she had told them had been a "mistake". Two days later she had vacated the premises.[13][14][15]

In September 1999, Clark was located and arrested in San Diego, California, based on a fugitive warrant from Indiana. According to Clark, this was the first time she learned about the charge. Her lawyer protested the long delay before her arrest, but a prosecutor implied that she fled Indiana "when she learned that she was being investigated by the state," and that the local police department had limited resources to devote to finding her.[15] She was returned to Indiana to stand trial, where she was charged with practicing medicine without a license. The charge was later dismissed for failure to provide her with a speedy trial. The judge's verdict did not address the merits of the charges but only the issue of whether the delay had compromised Clark's ability to mount a defense and her right to a speedy trial.[3]

In February 2001, Mexican authorities inspected Clark's Century Nutrition clinic and ordered it shut down, as the clinic had never registered and was operating without a license. In June 2001, the Mexican authorities announced that the clinic would be permitted to reopen, but was prohibited from offering "alternative" treatments. The clinic was also fined 160,000 pesos (about $18,000), and Clark was barred from working in Mexico, even as a consultant; however, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported in 2003 that there was evidence that Clark continued to work at the clinic.



Here are a few more quotes taken from the wiki article:

[There is no scientific basis for Hulda Clark's hypotheses and recommendations, including her suggested treatments. The parasite Fasciolopsis buskii does in fact exist, but only in Asian countries, so that an infection in our country is ruled out. Consequently, this parasite does not enter into consideration as a cause of the numerous cases of cancer in the Western countries; at most, it might be one of several causes of liver cancer (and only for this type of cancer) in the Asian countries. As a whole, Clark's thesis cannot be comprehended, nor is it proven. In individual cases, her advice can be very extensive and costly. Hence if patients do not apply her method consistently and their disease continues to progress, they run the risk of attempting to blame themselves for this, rather than Clark's treatment which is ineffective, as viewed at present.

~The Swiss Study Group for Complementary and Alternative Methods in Cancer (SCAC) [/quote]

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"No studies have backed up Clark's bizarre claims, and it’s unclear whether the cancer patients she’s supposedly cured ever had cancer to begin with."

~Prominent alternative medicine proponent Andrew Weil



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Hulda Clark has been criticized because her claims lack scientific validity and consist of anecdotal evidence. Joseph Pizzorno, a prominent naturopathic physician, evaluated Clark's claims and found that her books mixed patients with conventionally diagnosed cancer with those whose cancer diagnosis was based solely on her use of the "Syncrometer". The patients with medically diagnosed cancer did not respond to Clark's treatment, while those she had diagnosed using the "Syncrometer" were "cured". Pizzorno concluded that Clark's treatments were ineffective and that treatments based on Clark's recommendations "pose a substantive public health danger".



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In 2002, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported that Clark and her son Geoff operated a restaurant and leased housing for patients at Clark's Tijuana clinic. The article described a couple whose daughter, suffering from spinal muscular atrophy, was treated for 10 months by Clark at a cost of approximately $30,000 without improvement. Despite the cost and lack of improvement, the couple stated that Clark insisted she was close to curing the child, and that stopping treatment might endanger her.[3] The patient's mother commented, "People don’t understand why we stayed so long, but Hulda Clark did a very good job of preying on us," and Clark, while stating she could not respond to the parents' allegations on grounds of patient confidentiality, denied their statements in general.



These were all statements taken from the same wikipedia article you mentioned earlier. Here you see that even Clark's colleagues in the alternative medicine field are warning against her practice. Why are they doing this?

That is an interesting thing about tuning forks. I recall doing a similar experiment about this in my high school physics class. I wish I could remember the exact details of it. However I'm somewhat sure that tuning forks will behave this way as long as they are tuned to any of the same pitch, and that 440 hz is not too special in this regard, but I could be mistaken here as like I said, my memory on that one is fuzzy. (At any rate, I don't specifically recall the tuning pitch of the forks we used).
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 01:23
It's called 'sympathetic resonance'; any tuning fork will resonate with another of the same frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_resonance
It's why pianos sound the way they do. Here's another example of sympathetic resonance:





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