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the cosmic octave and mathematics
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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 01:28
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On 2009-07-21 15:54, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
hey zork, please excuse me vor delay with the answer of pm. i come to you again very soon.
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no worries...
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 12:37
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14 years ago it was just the same imo. lot of people were doin their thing, doin in music without any interest of spiritual mind and essence behind. anyway there were also many people and musicians as today only doin music out of that reason.
today there are as many audio shamans and freaks out there as those days. i try to see that in relation, not in quantity. and itīs fact, imo..... anywhere u will have a look for in any kind of direction, u will find that shamans or whatever u mean is not something u will find heapwise through the internet, here on isratrance, or anywhere in the world. you have to understand, not to see i mean really to understand, why this has to be like this and why not everybody can go this way. it has pretty much to do with why we canīt all be same. out of the same reason we canīt do all the same music or even same based music.
secondly i have to say with my few years on experience, it s not that easy to work that way 100%. and hey, everything splitted in this scene, so u can imagine, that most people out there are not interested in psychedelic and the story behind. it got some music pretty pretty related to most electronic musical styles we know, just mixing all influences of any genre we like.
psychedelic is also much more than only a spiritual thing imo. itīs a specific form of electronic music u have to understand before youīre able to create it. anyway, this is with most things u have to learn. but this music includes your live, the cosm, your questions, your answers.
artists have to decide their own if they wanna do spiritual based music or just technical, electronic music. we can not put any kind in any direction, because itīs what we feel and what we think about....itīs our perception, our opinion. anyway the perception of any human beeing is different.
FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 13:01
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I come to this forum to seek advice on how to better my 'production methods' / quality.. That is what this forum is mostly about. I'm i wrong
People will enjoy your production more if the quality is of good standard.
But, this topic is very interesting to me and is related to music making.. and I have an open mind about it.
If other isratrance users do not agree with this subject they will voice their opinion and it is not a personal attack on you,, (most of the time
so, feel free to discuss this topic.
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 13:14
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 13:46
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Sorry,
I was addressing MOKI with that thread
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Gaiana
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 14:01
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Mandari, i think the main difference nowadays is that the acces to music production is so easy, everyone with a laptop and some downloaded software can make trance now.
This is a good thing, because many talented people who before would have no way to find and express their talent now have a possibility, but at the same time, it also means there's many many many people just playing around with the software, without having anything to say or add really.
The thing is, this has caused the ratio between spiritual and hedonistic to be balanced differently nowadays. I think its safe to say that most of the early generation of (goa)trancers all had spiritual intentions, and were working with a greater purpose for the movement.
Some of that just got lost in translation..
Many people heard the music and its power, loved it, and started making it themselves.
Yet not all of those who heard the music, heard or fully understood its "message", so the music was copied and evolved, without having its original purpose inside anymore.
Its like people found this really awesome book, and spread it around, yet somehow, now only the cover of the book is being copied and passed on, instead of the actual text.
And without this intrinsic spiritual value to the music, it starts to sound empty and "dead" to many people..
Another factor is that with the creation of genres and subgenres, ideas and concepts get narrowed down more and more, rules and boundries are defined, which leads to stagnation and eventual atrophy, causing people to actually forget the original intent.. and even ridicule the people still working with it.
For me it is so strange to see all these different splintered movements within the trance scene, to the point where people are sometimes even negative about each other.
Dark psy people looking down on fluffly fullon trancers, minimal people standing aloof not liking the dark frequencies etc..
How can the branches of the same tree think they are so seperate from each other?
We're all part of the same tree! And there is no question that tree has its roots firmly grounded in spirituality.
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moki
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 18:29
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-=Mandari=-
just a short note on this:
well then it is only my opinion.
i compare the artists that i knew at the time 13 years ago and those who i know now and meet on the internet nowadays. it is two different world. i think that the percentage of ppl interested in the issue of this topic ( without starting to attack immediately ) was much more bigger in those years than now. nowadays i am not interested in those artists any more because i am lacking uniqueness und depth of their methods to connect to the audience. they are all same. they all learned how to produce but extremely few of them learned the essence of music.
and whoever thinks that psy trance ( incl. qualitative proggresive+goa+psy+dark)is like any other style, then he doesnt get the idea. really not.
and btw you can be pretty sure that i will never ever go to any event that is being promoted in big mainstream platforms like goabase. because i tell you, it might be strange to you, but i dont find this topic in isratrance offensive. i think noone offended me here - well nothing that i could not live with. and i even learned a few things and enjoyed diskussing controversely. but the same topic in goabase was an absolute disaster - and i speak better german than english, much better even. i am so tired of discrimination and idiots. they really lost me forever.
i stop buying shit also . and if i am not allowed to listen music without buying - then i will not listen. as easy as it sounds. and this conversation in isratrance i find it 100 times more meaningsful than in other places.
about attackng- i am still waiting to be attacked on the issue actually, and not on my supposedly unsuitable way of communicating. actually it is obvious why this scene is dead. the females are not really involved. or if they do, they have to behave the way they are expected. it is so ridiculous.
but whatever. to me it is not the same scene like 13 years ago. it is not even the same like 7 years ago.
and i actually dont wanna make the artists do this music. you can forget it. i just wanna pick a few who are interested to do it. to experiemnt. to go beyond boundaries.
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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 21:05
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what offence do you mean? its like you can do and believe in what you want..but cannot stress us to do the same..and i actualy dont believe in the cosmic octave having specific reactions on body and mind thrue music..
i do believe in the clinical way like playing around with alpha / delta / beta waves cause that are actualy frequencies in what our brain works everyday in different mind states..and to force the brain vibrating in these frequencys influenced through music makes sense to me..
al the other mind states like platonic year and so on and their frequencys are imo just esoteric suggestions with no point of proove..
interesting experiment anyway...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 21:16
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning
Just do it... Thinking about it from a spiritual view you could with any tuning or instrument just communicate the thing you want to communicate and it will be so.... if you not unconsciously deliver something else...
so for making a chillout track you really feel chilled while creating it and let that feeling come through in the music.....
I dont think its healthy to convey things as being "the absolute way" like religion does...
just be opend minded and hearthed as much as it goes....
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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 21:35
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well..when i make chill im chilled anyway..and i feel no difference when i do it in a specific frequency of cosmic octave state actualy..or not..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 21:40
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On 2009-07-22 21:35, Zork wrote:
well..when i make chill im chilled anyway..and i feel no difference when i do it in a specific frequency of cosmic octave state actualy..or not..
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And thats exactly what im saying! or did you not understand me?
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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 21:41
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maybe not exactly...but if you agree im fine..hehe
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 22:02
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On 2009-07-22 21:41, Zork wrote:
maybe not exactly...but if you agree im fine..hehe
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hehe no maybe not exactly..but you made what i said clearer.. at least to me 
yeah i agree... im not a number freak, im also not too sensitive about things being "wrong" Like "that tone is not supposed to be there"
Get your freeflow going 
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moki
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 22:23
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"..but cannot stress us to do the same.."
oh, and by the way AM I ALLOWED to tell anyone to look for other topics if they feel stressed in mine???????????????????????????????????????
sorry, i am a hedonist in mind and i hate spending time with ppl who are stressed by what i tell them:))). it is because i am sure i can find others who are not stressed so actually it would be so much nicer if we only had participants here who are open to hear what this is.
i am so far away of " stressing you to do this music". why should i do this at all? to give you unique concepts to make music that sell good after that. why do i need this??? i am not interested at all that everyone here starts to do cosmic tones.
i just want a discussion with a small group of ppl who do it.
oh and btw i was actually looking for a native speaker as i asked here. native american or english. for the translation. otherwise i can do it alone too. at least a have a music education which is not the case with many of the participants here.
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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 22:50
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well , moki..maybe i did choose the wrong vocabulary..but i just tried to say..it is nice to think about and so on..
so actualy didn`t read the whole thread and even the other wich even goes about like 20 sites or smth..
maybe im wrong, then please correct me, but we had people around here who tried to tell us, this is the best way to make music and so on...
so i just wanted to make clear that everyone self has to decide what the best way is..blabla
so stress is maybe the wrong word..sorry for that if you feel kind of attacked or something..that was not my intention..
well , im not a native english speaker but if you dont find one..i will check your translation since i got a prett good technical education on this subject..thats all..
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