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Suloo
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 20:30
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What does strange attractor means in german?? could you translate please? didn`t find a translation..sorry
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Nectarios
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 20:44
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On 2009-06-30 20:30, Zork wrote:
What does strange attractor means in german?? could you translate please? didn`t find a translation..sorry
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seltsame attraktoren
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Suloo
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 20:45
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well..ok then..
was sind attraktoren bitte?
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 20:49
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oh no, now we talk in english. i was polite enough to talk in german on goabase too but the attractor took part and we had to end up in the zero point.
fractals are strange attractors.
the octave is an attractor. just click the link about the linear systems i gave you. it is so obviously an octave. an octave creates a butterfly effect. this is obvious because it is a constant matrix.
so i actually came really a lot further through this discussion. thank you all for it. developing like a fractal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_dynamical_system
as you see here:
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so you have many different ways to divide an octave. especially into five.
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Suloo
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 21:17
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Well no worries..just keep it going.maybe i get it later or so..
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 21:43
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and btw i feel 1000 times better now.
this conversation increased my sureness with 20percent more certainty that the hypothesis is right. so now i am much above the 50 percent certainty.
special thanks to colin also, who was in this case the opposite side of the fractal and made it possible to turn an attractor into strange attractor.
whatever. hey colin, actually i would love to visit your myspace - in my last visit in isratrance half an year ago i did not do it because of the goa gil discussion. thanks for making me much more sure in what i suggest as a hypothesis.
it is clear to me now....this is exactly the right thing...the octave is an attractor..actually i find this incredible....just imagine what is possible to happen if a butterfly effect is created in audience of sound...
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 23:01
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On 2009-06-30 15:42, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
dear Axis Mundi: just a very small question. is this the only time that you see these logical fallacies in science??????
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No, but we're not talking about that. The act of justifying your method by saying that another method is invalid is also a logical fallacy, though. This thread was supposed to be about exploring/building upon/proving your idea.
But you're right, you see fallacies and paradoxes in science, just like in religion, spirituality, philosophy, and a lot of other things in life. The advantage of science at least, despite its misuse (and science is not alone amongst these other things) is that while science is not perfect, it is self-correcting, and while we have not completely been able to understand the truth about everything with it and probably won't for a very long time, it's a tool that ever so slowly brings us closer to it, which possibly makes it the most precious thing the human race has.
Also, as small examples, science is the reason we're not drinking blood out of the skulls of the dead or burning women alive for causing eclipses.
The reason why we have LSD and MDMA so readily is because of science you know. You can't say science is so bad because it doesn't know everything yet without saying that all of it is bad. In this case making exceptions for "cool" science is also a logical fallacy.
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Science is my spirituality. To each his own. besides that, I'd be interested to see any proof you may have that sound can cause physical healing. (Proof being evidence from a study that didn't involve selling me something.) I really, truly, would be fascinated by that.
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| Axis Mundi, you would be surprised how accepted some of these things are in contemporary medicine. Not sure where you're from, but in the US, "Acutonics" (i.e., holding a tuning fork tuned to the resonant frequency of Earth Day to an acupuncture point) is accepted and taught by several nursing organizations and practiced in hospitals. |
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I'm American, and I am a bit surprised but in more of a curious way than an "OMG WTF" way. Nobody can argue that scientific medicine saves millions of lives despite some of the costs it took to get it there. That being said, here's something personal about me... even though, I'm prone to frequent migraines, I avoid taking pharmaceuticals for them and anything else that happens unless it's absolutely necessary because I don't trust those big companies and what they may be putting into their medicines. besides, the only thing that gets rid of them is sleep anyways, I've found. I also have neurodermatitis and when it breaks out, the only thing that makes the outbreaks go away is stress relief, a strict and drastic diet change as well as a few natural things such as lavender oil and apple cider vinegar as an antiseptic. (Smelly, but effective... it took a small scientific method of my own to figure this out for me as multiple visits to dermatologists and following their prescriptions wasn't helping me a bit.) There really isn't a settled-upon scientific method to the causes of or the cure of things such as dermatitis, eczema, etc.
And really, I'd have to say that if those tuning forks are proven to really do do something more beneficial than any other treatment, more power to them. Better than experimental drugs with unpredictable side effects or major invasive surgery.
If it doesn't, and they are doing it anyway, then shame on those "doctors".
Just because people perceive something to be something (science, in this case) doesn't mean it is.
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daark
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 23:47
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On 2009-06-30 23:01, Axis Mundi wrote:
Science is my spirituality. To each his own. besides that, I'd be interested to see any proof you may have that sound can cause physical healing. (Proof being evidence from a study that didn't involve selling me something.) I really, truly, would be fascinated by that.
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+1
I've yet to hear of any metaphysical event or phenomenon that is more extraordinary, mindblowing or beautiful than what we're discovering about the reality around us.
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I avoid taking pharmaceuticals for them and anything else that happens unless it's absolutely necessary because I don't trust those big companies and what they may be putting into their medicines.
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I do the same, because our health in this case is secondary to profit, and wherever monetary profit rules, trustworthiness unfortunately cannot be assumed  |
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Kane
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 03:34
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@ Axis: Totally agree..I wasn't really going for the "shocking statement" thing, just thought it was worth mentioning. 
I'm really curious about stuff like this too, but I think it's appropriate to be skeptical when we're talking about medicine. I doubt that anyone is using sound healing as an immediate treatment for anything life threatening or easily curable, but it's hard to be open minded when there's such a serious lack of legitimate science involved.
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Quacks portray themselves as innovators and suggest that their critics are rigid, elitist, biased, and closed to new ideas. Actually, they have things backwards. The real issue is whether a method works. Science provides ways to judge and discard unfounded ideas. Medical science progresses as new methods replace less effective ones. Quack methods persist as long as they remain marketable. Even after they are gone, they still may be glorified. Open-mindedness is the willingness to follow where the evidence leads and should include willingness to defer to impartial investigations rather than one's own predilections. It is not close-minded to reject ideas that are unsubstantiated and lack a scientifically plausible rationale. Nor is it close-minded to rely upon the vast body of accumulated scientific knowledge as a guide to giving advice or making practical decisions.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 11:26
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I agree, it is worth mentioning! It's really amazing how much of this sort of stuff is still prevalent today, especially medicine.
Great quote! I couldn't agree more.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 11:48
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Quacks portray themselves as innovators and suggest that their critics are rigid, elitist, biased, and closed to new ideas. Actually, they have things backwards. The real issue is whether a method works. Science provides ways to judge and discard unfounded ideas. Medical science progresses as new methods replace less effective ones. Quack methods persist as long as they remain marketable. Even after they are gone, they still may be glorified. Open-mindedness is the willingness to follow where the evidence leads and should include willingness to defer to impartial investigations rather than one's own predilections. It is not close-minded to reject ideas that are unsubstantiated and lack a scientifically plausible rationale. Nor is it close-minded to rely upon the vast body of accumulated scientific knowledge as a guide to giving advice or making practical decisions.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 12:32
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On 2009-06-30 12:58, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:just for second think about the effects you could have if you can give to the ppl exactly the feeling of mdma or lsd through the frequency.
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I actually did that and all I could imagine was how horrible and frightening it would be for the human race (as we know it today) in the long run.
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well of course. you can see this from this side as well. but dont worry, it will not happen, because the authorities will then make the lsd tuning illegal. they will make it forbidden to use these frequencies. |
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First of all, you should never, ever, ever administer psychedelics of any kind to a person without their express knowledge AND consent.
Secondly, if you think using mass weaponized hallucinogenics on large groups of people is somehow an improvement on current society, I truly hope you never "research" your "ideas" at all.
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