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the cosmic octave and mathematics
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 13:01
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but whatever, the topic is finished for me for now. i am waiting for a mail with the answer of cousto on my questions.
if you write anything about what you prefer from the choice i gave you, i will consider this.
i am thinking about where i could do some statistics which will be fun. i have a lot of fun with statistics, really.
and i will have fun to finish another video on the subject. wish you fun with your thing as well.
psy greetings, and love and light:)
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vegetal
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 13:49
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:02
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no, it is suitable for all genres of music.
here are the frequencies of the lsd tuning btw.
http://www.planetware.de/tune_in/LSD-tunings.pdf
and i know it is written in german but it is not so much about the language and the expression but about the mathematics behind it and the physics. anyone can see the frequencies there. and anyone who is scientific will see them as well. the others not. so whats the point - no one here is commenting the facts actually.
well anyway. i am researching a very interesting issue right now. the strange attractors of terrence mckenna. my name time wave zero comes from him too. i did not know till now that he had this in his theory. i need to know everything about it.
but as i said i am totally in the wrong forums.  but this discussion was much more helpful to me than the one in goabase which was the most disastrous i have ever read. here at least no one is "the only powerful to speak english" and to state anything in english. but also here i failed to see any critical points. i saw only that i need to do the statistics to prove significance.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:06
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Ein Paar beispiele der Wort "discombubulated" waere eines Kinds schmuetzige Zimmer, mit Spielzeuge und Klamotten ueberall am liegen, das Gefuehl im Gedanken nach eine LSD-Session, oder eine Feiergegend nach eine grosse Tobuwabohu.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:23
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http://www.goatrance.de/goabase/forum_msg_view.php?saAtt%5Bword%5D=oktave&nID=481685&nPos=520
this is the best evidence why i am absolutely finished with any trance festival in the place of my work. germany. never ever. it is absolutely shameful and disguisting to write this and to support even violence on me because i am insisting on a theory that i have "no idea" about. it is absolutely the best example that there is no psy any more in germany. pity for all who are there.
" wir sind der deutschen sprache mächtigen, du kackfotze" " ich mach dich zu hackfleisch". you have to really think about it. really. cousto himself told me that he finds my german very good. so the trance scene is then the only one who cant understand my german. whatever, fuck it. give me the field of statistics from the choice above please. is this difficult, tell me at least which of them will be most persuading for you if i prove the significance.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:33
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just choose one of them please. then i have something to do which will be more helpful than any further discussions. i will prove the significance as soon as i have time to think of a proper method.
- with the spectral analysis and the quantum music
- with the attractors, strange attractors and the intervals of the octave
- with another phenomena in physics which like the spherics have a striking similarity to the intervals of an octave. i could search for such phenomena. and state a similarity of all phenomena in physics and the octave in the middle of it.
-with the healing, i can do some statistics in hospitals. lady shubert is a good healer and works with this in hospitals. i can do statistics with the results of healing.#
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:47
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no you cant choose any of them? please? just say number one two three or four? which will be of most interest of you. then i leave the discussion and make further research. i wanted to test reactions.
actually after such reactions like on the link, i could really really really end in court. i am not joking. ankur did not understand me in the topic six months ago here on isratrance about psyshop. i am not joking about the forums. the trance scene is so much affecting me by pissing on my human rights, that i could actually finally take action. and i would even have the money to do the research. because at least the last point with the hospital would take money to do and to find the people for the experiment and to pay them.
and btw daark, yes, i am aries. so is goa ( 6.04).
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Suloo
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:49
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I dont know what your problem is really..
i still enjoy festivals and partys in germany..
i do it for 10 years now and even in other countries..
german festivals are well organized and my friends and me like it here..
strange people are everywhere you go ..its called live..and that there are some people you might not like on a 5000 to 25000 or like last weekend 79000 people at Fusion Festival is no surprise imo...
every time you come up with something like this here or at goabase the discussion becomes heaps of sites long..
i haven`t read all the sites but it seemes like its your mission to persuade us on this cosmic stuff etc..
well, if you like that go for it..but if such conversations start to get personal in a bad way..i would stop teasing it, not?
anyway, i just wanted to say i like to have party in germany, same like elsewhere..like a lot of people around here..
there is a lot of psy around here, sad you cannot see it anymore..
a litte on topic..im interested in the cosmic octave and stuff as well, but see no point where it is healthful or forces some special kind of consiousness more than other music..
but if you can prove things like that im with you as well..
cheers & good luck!
Mark
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:52
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well tell me finally one to four- which one i have to prove from those four above? i WILL prove it easily. and i will give this as a present to cousto for his next birthday.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 15:05
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well actually you cant even tell me one two three or four. right? you dont know which will be most effective to prove because you dont even know what will be the thesis then. well can you tell me at least accidently a number between one and four to have a starting point in this chaos? but okey, i know it. the number is five. and i will have to prove all of them right. i am already visualising the moment i will give this present to cousto on his birthday. will be a lot of fun with spss. i miss this genious software since i left my last job.
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| - with the spectral analysis and the quantum music
- with the attractors, strange attractors and the intervals of the octave
- with another phenomena in physics which like the spherics have a striking similarity to the intervals of an octave. i could search for such phenomena. and state a similarity of all phenomena in physics and the octave in the middle of it.
-with the healing, i can do some statistics in hospitals. lady shubert is a good healer and works with this in hospitals. i can do statistics with the results of healing.# |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 15:06
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The thing is, the whole statistics thing was brought up by you about the numbers and roles etc. of women in the psytrance scene, a rather vague and irrelevant argument to your main point. You were asked to provide your statistics on that and didn't, and later said you hadn't had made any, but it doesn't matter, because that whole thing is irrelevant and moot anyway.
I don't think your problem is your usage of either German or English, it's that your ideas aren't very clear.
Also, none of the site links you provided provide an unbiased, objective opinion on the matter. They all have, as was mentioned many times, a vested financial interest. Not many people are going to take an information source like that seriously when there's a string of credit card logos on the same page of the site. I'd be curious to see some independent studies by scientific or educational groups or institutions on the matter. I'm not interested in information sources that also offer products for sale. To me that's like reading a website that states that eating genetically modified vegetables is healthier for me than organic vegetables that is funded by a firm that sells genetically modified vegetable products. Those sorts of information sources inherently generate mistrust.
It's also unclear to me which sort of healing you keep referring to. Physical healing? As in for example, vibrational tones that cause cell tissue to regenerate faster, ignore aging or operate at increased efficiency? Mental healing? Spiritual? Relating to the application of correlating vibrational frequencies of orbiting planets to that of subatomic particles, what applications would that have? What relevance would that have in our current lives?
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I actually did that and all I could imagine was how horrible and frightening it would be for the human race (as we know it today) in the long run.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 15:22
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These are the main logical fallacies I am seeing in this whole argument.
Ad ignorantiam
The argument from ignorance basically states that a specific belief is true because we don't know that it isn't true. Defenders of extrasensory perception, for example, will often overemphasize how much we do not know about the human brain. UFO proponents will often argue that an object sighted in the sky is unknown, and therefore it is an alien spacecraft.
Argument from authority
Stating that a claim is true because a person or group of perceived authority says it is true. Often this argument is implied by emphasizing the many years of experience, or the formal degrees held by the individual making a specific claim. It is reasonable to give more credence to the claims of those with the proper background, education, and credentials, or to be suspicious of the claims of someone making authoritative statements in an area for which they cannot demonstrate expertise. But the truth of a claim should ultimately rest on logic and evidence, not the authority of the person promoting it.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 15:24
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well of course. you can see this from this side as well. but dont worry, it will not happen, because the authorities will then make the lsd tuning illegal. they will make it forbidden to use these frequencies.
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| It's also unclear to me which sort of healing you keep referring to. Physical healing? As in for example, vibrational tones that cause cell tissue to regenerate faster, ignore aging or operate at increased efficiency? Mental healing? Spiritual? Relating to the application of correlating vibrational frequencies of orbiting planets to that of subatomic particles, what applications would that have? What relevance would that have in our current lives? |
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both physical and non physical. but we are interested in the first one, since physical is the only thing of interest here, after we decided to piss on the spiritual side in order to prove it right in terms of science.
i have this lady schubert on my website. a video interview with her. i met her once by chance. she is doing it in german hospitals ( please note that she is also doing classical music aside and not involved in trance). she is healing anything with the tuning forks. especially i have to mention things like bone pain or pains in the back. this could be proved in terms of statistics.
yes i have vague ideas. and i am absolutely sure that 50 percent of my ideas are wrong. but the rest not. i have been intensively studying the cosmic octave the last three years. the science behind it, because i could just take the frequencies and make music, but i want to have a rational approach why is this essential - to have to use these frequencies. so i am studying it. and the more i study, the more i understand how much there is to study.
but still to me from my perspective it looks like anyone is telling me how wrong i am and noone actually gets my idea.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 15:42
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dear Axis Mundi: just a very small question. is this the only time that you see these logical fallacies in science?????? i mean, the whole science is based on exactly those two fallacies. And btw since most ppl are not scientists, they are following those two fallacies. Especially big bang is the biggest joke of all. Hey can i prove with the theory of possibilities in the statistics that it is possible that it all started with a big bang:))))))))).
! ))))))). i mean, science is not the last frontier. Science is so ridiculous if it comes to paradoxes. Paradox in the big bang theory, paradox in the quantum physics...But of course, they have perfect explanation for paradoxes in the statistics.)) they sort these cases out and have a special name for paradoxes which are not taken into account!
But as i see we are not going further ( dont really know why is it so difficult to give me one number of those points to make the statistics on that). i really believe i am the right one to do this statistics.
But okey, we are gonna rotate and rotate. to me it is clear that the next two steps are_
1. to divide the octave into five parts and to get a new table for diatonic and chromatic and the new column for the cents. i hope to find any musical help from you but i see i will not.
2. to do the spss statistics the prove significance.
3. to understand what terrence mckenna meant with strange attractors.
clear and simple. this is the further way of mine. if anyone can help with ideas, it will be much appreciated.
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Kane
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 15:50
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Axis Mundi, you would be surprised how accepted some of these things are in contemporary medicine. Not sure where you're from, but in the US, "Acutonics" (i.e., holding a tuning fork tuned to the resonant frequency of Earth Day to an acupuncture point) is accepted and taught by several nursing organizations and practiced in hospitals.
Moki, please explain how intervals are strange attractors, why it matters, and what we can do with the information.
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