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moki
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 23:54
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| I would really love to understand any theory you want to talk about at this point, as long as it's related to music and not spirituality or alternative medicine. |
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okey. to your attention because you probably missed it in the 9 pages:
- i assume, that the interval within an octave is a strange attractor in the frequency fields. and i assume that, if you use this attractor, you can create butterfly effect. And in a chaotic field as the frequencies this will inevitably happen - the butterfly effect. And this will lead to a state of Resonance - every kind of Resonance known in the Physic will follow this attractor.
- and i assume that if you divide the octave into five and use the golden means, then you will have the means to create more symmetric and complicated structures in the cymatics experiments or on water effects.
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| Yes, we have all of this information about various resonances, but why should we do anything with them? What's the point of this thread?
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of course you shouldn't. no body is telling you here what you should do , i am the last to do it.
but i have basicly two goals here - to improve my knowledge ofthe octave as well as to basically improve my way of stating anything about the cosmic octave so that i am nearer to consensual reality. i am not good in consensual reality.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 00:00
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and more exactly i assumed that the octave is an atractor and the intervall is a strange atractor. is there any value for this. btw i asked cousto some minutes ago per mail finally. hope i will know the answer soon.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 00:30
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but by the way i ask you sincerely to have a look at this pdf about the basics of the quantum physic approach in the theory of hans cousto.
http://www.planetware.de/tune_in/wasserstoff-1.pdf
does it say something to you? anything? any scientific reaction to observe?
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 01:15
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I am not good in consensual reality.
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Well, that would translate to "I am not good". We have not been able to define any other reality than the one there is "consensus" about since none of us can separate ourselves from being an observer. That includes you.
All you're really saying is that you cannot provide a rational explanation for your free associations between frequencies and sprirituality/healing. The last (giant) thread was a disaster and this one is going down the same route. If you're unable to communicate in a manner that other people can understand, don't start discussions.
It's not ok to tell people to go read up on this and that and then they might understand - if you're making any sort of claim it is your responsibility to articulate it and substantiate it, using the tools of "consensual reality". Nobody can be asked to read what's going on in your mind.
I suggest that you clarify to us all what the point of this is in relation to music production, and if you can't I reckon the mods should move this to another section on the forum.
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daark
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 01:42
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On 2009-06-30 01:19, daark wrote:
hey man if youre not interested don't read or reply.
What is it to you?
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On the contrary I am interested, its just that so far no evidence that it isn't utter bollocks hasn't been presented. Maybe you should check the old thread. The icing on the cake is the jawdropping parade of fallacious arguments and you have the recipe for a thread that doesn't belong in this section IMO  |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 02:39
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On 2009-06-29 16:35, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
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| I'm wondering how such things can be measured using statistics also. |
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strange statement in case the whole theory of the big bang and the scientific approach about the universe is based on statistics.
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What's so strange about a statement like that? When did we start talking about the big bang? How did you gather your statistics? Where is the source of your data? Where are these said statistics? Can you show them to me? Is it somehow not scientific or rational to wonder where and how you got your information? Can you show me your data? Explain your method? Can you answer any of these questions please?
This thread is so discombobulated that I can't make heads or tails of it anymore.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 11:30
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well, if you havent understood after 9 pages here what is the connection to music, then i guess it is a good idea to move the thread or whatever. besides i am still really wondering why it si hard to just leave a discussion that does not tell anything to you. i am not here to sort of convince anyone, i am here to see what others think. i can have this discussion with two people only. i mean, i dont participate in the most threads here either, because i dont understand what is relevant for me inside of them...i dont start to shout at people because they are talking about things that dont interest me or i dont understand. but it is okey, if you see this thread as a disaster, close it or move or whatever.
no there is more than one reality. the consensual one is the reality of the majority. it is based on the observation of the majority, which does not have to be the right one for anyone else. exactly the same way sientists have a war about the quantums as well. most say one thing, the rest says another thing.
btw such posts like yours tire me so much. if you really dont see anything to do with music, then pity for you. yes write to the mods to end up this thread and me on this board, i know there dozens of little helpers like you here.
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it is strange to talk so much about science and to believe that the world was "created "during a big bang. i have never ever been able to understand how a rational thinking mind can believe in the big bang. so he believes that he can describe the creation of the world through statistics?it is impossible for me to understand that. besides science itself is very contradictory within its rows. btw einstein and tesla were quarelling too. and so do the quantum physisists. they cannot come to one consensual conslusion.
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i havent done statistics. i am still waiting for a proposal of colin, maybe he will give me a nice idea where i could do the statistics. because okey, i really know a little bit about statistics and i am sure it is more than what many ppl here do. i could try. to prove anything by means of statistics for you. actually colin is one of the few here and in the previous topic to give interesting proposals at all. i havent done statistics because i am not the one to have researched this theory. hans cousto did research it.
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yeas i can. if you give me any idea where i can do do the statistics to show you, then i will prove to you with statistics that it is a significantly important theory. the problem is that i am of course very partial and i dont doubt in the theory since my rational mind tells me that it is really essential to change to 432 hz if we want to be in resonance. but i see in these topics that very few of you want to be in resonance with hte bigger picture. they dont even care.
btw i am sitting very quietly and silently here and only observing the direction of this thread. it is cvery clear to me that i will not give up. it is very clear to me that every day i wake up i will read offensive irrelevant posts. but i will not give up anyway. the level of this thread is ridiculous to me. no it has not to do anything with music at all!!
btw you said earlier that scientist did not die because they were killed by other scientists. may be the most wisest thing to do is to talk about these things with scientists instead. who is a scientist here? who is here to do more than blame me on opening this thread???
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give me any idea please which is the field where you would like to see a prove in terms of statistics. i will give you my method and an important statistical significance. but you see, i am simple piano player and not a scientist measuring the attractors and the butterfly effect.
okey, i give it up temporarily because it tires me to wake up and to see only how bad it is to have opened this thread and only complaining posts from people who dont understand me early in the morning. i mean, isratrance is big enough to leave a topic that you dont like.
i need to learn much more about the octave and the chao theory. i had quite a lot of numbers and ideas in this thread, but people here cannot even distinguisch which of them are hypothesis and which are a part of the theory of cousto.
and the theory of cousto itself.
okey i will give you a choice, because i really realize that you dont understand what i am talking about.
here a few possible fields where i can imagine to do the statistics at the present day:
- with the spectral analysis and the quantum music
- with the attractors, strange attractors and the intervals of the octave
- with another phenomena in physics which like the spherics have a striking similarity to the intervals of an octave. i could search for such phenomena. and state a similarity of all phenomena in physics and the octave in the middle of it.
-with the healing, i can do some statistics in hospitals. lady shubert is a good healer and works with this in hospitals. i can do statistics with the results of healing.
and whatever. it is tiring me to always have to lead war here on this subject. it is fucking same, i am sure that very few people will use this in the present time. i was trying to see if this is the audience i will do the video for. but it is not. i am not a high court persuading that the earth is round.
discombobulated ? i dont know what is this and i am not gonna check it in the dictionary but i know that it is prctically impossible for anyone with further knowledge in all this to partake in this thread. for me it is difficult to imagine why am i sitting so friendly and calmly here and read 80 percent nervous posts as if i am threatening to kill you if you dont get the importance of the subject.
then dont get it. i already understood at the fifth page that i am not gonna find answers. i am waiting for one from cousto.
whatever. forget it. first coffe to wake up. i o
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 11:48
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| Please can you give us more detail about these statistics? Who collected the data and did the analysis, and where can we read about it? |
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well if you ask me that politely, i cant say no. ))
i did the experiment and i did the statistics myself.
i collected data about the psy society myself. and about the rest of the society in comparison.
i put the female participation in the trance scene in relation to the male and compared this number with the same relation outside of trance.
then i put the female interpreters in classical music in relation to the male ones. und i compared this relation to the relation between the sexes in other professions. i got significantly important answers by means of statistics.
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i havent done statistics. |
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Just sayin'.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 11:56
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it is strange to talk so much about science and to believe that the world was "created "during a big bang. i have never ever been able to understand how a rational thinking mind can believe in the big bang. |
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I've never said a single word on this forum about the big bang. So how can you know my beliefs on it? Unless you're just assuming you do.
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Speaking of contradictions, you're contradicting yourself in your own posts. You said you've done extensive statistic work and data gathering, then you said you haven't done statistics. See above.
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Then please do.
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The idea you are postulating in this thread, please.
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 12:03
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golden means golden beans
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 12:25
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i am not takling about you.
the other thing with the statistics on the females: i said three times that it was a joke.
whatever, forget it.
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 12:27
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once more a democratic choice for you.
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| okey i will give you a choice, because i really realize that you dont understand what i am talking about.
here a few possible fields where i can imagine to do the statistics at the present day:
- with the spectral analysis and the quantum music
- with the attractors, strange attractors and the intervals of the octave
- with another phenomena in physics which like the spherics have a striking similarity to the intervals of an octave. i could search for such phenomena. and state a similarity of all phenomena in physics and the octave in the middle of it.
-with the healing, i can do some statistics in hospitals. lady shubert is a good healer and works with this in hospitals. i can do statistics with the results of healing. |
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as i said these are the possible studies in terms of statistics that i can imagine. i cant do them all at the present day, i have other job to do as well. but i assume i would be fast enough to do any of them, because i have really worked on statistical methods a lot in the media earlier.
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mk47
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 12:37
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btw , moki .. are you on steroids ?
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moki
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 12:58
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i am on nothing. because i learned to tune in with the quantum music. and it would be nice if the artists of the trance scene think about the lsd music and the mdma music as well. just for second think about the effects you could have if you can give to the ppl exactly the feeling of mdma or lsd through the frequency.
the easiest thing is to make some music in front of some hundred people on drugs . they will enjoy it for sure. they will even find it spiritual. trance is so spiritual. and healing.
anyway. most artists actually say that they dont wanna be associated with any substances but the fact is this is the very audience of trance. lots of them are actually doing the clown for minds on drugs.
and i am not saying that you have to take this seriously, i am jsut saying that it is absolutely ridiculous to say that there is no science behind of it. that there is no scientific approach behind of it.
i cant hear it. the good thing is that i am now forum-experienced enough to not take it seriously. yes, if it is needed, then close the topic.
i god two good ideas here. the first one are the reasearches above. i will be happy to help with spss and the statistics to prove the significance of this theory. the second thing i became from daark per private message about the chaos theory and the frequency. if i find out the strange attractor i will call it time wave zero:)))). but since i left any wishes to have social success, it is irrelevant what i find out.
i leave it by that, thanks for the discussion, you are right, it is not the right forum.
i posted it only to find out what is the proper interval but i think i know this better than the people here:).
wish a very nice day to all, dont be so nervous. have fun while doing the other type of music for the other type of ppl.
p.s. btw i am joking, i am not on nothing. i smoke really a lot. whatever. dont think it is conncected. it is only connected to the fact that i am not good in consensual reality.
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