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the big christmas discount thread
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:16
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On 2009-12-05 16:36, ohshit wrote:
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On 2009-12-05 14:43, mquirk1 wrote:
oh yeah and good luck finding warez of all the high end plugs, they are all either iLok which has not been cracked or DSP like uad/duende
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Yes you're right. No one use the cracked version of the Waves Bundles. And if someone use it, it means that is not an high end bundle.
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meh, like i said, all the really good waves stuff ie cla compressor, maserati bundle and the like haven't been cracked. the only waves stuff that has been cracked is older stuff, and most of those plugs suck.
but waves is the exception to the rule anyway, none of the stand alone compressors/plugins like the mpressor, the tube-tech cl1b, all the duende/sonnox/uad stuff etc etc have been cracked. those are the real high end plugs, but i never even see them mentioned on isratrance, probably for that very reason that they aren't cracked.. and most psy producers seem to be pretty poor so they aren't willing to shell out $300 for a bit of software.
but anyway, my point from the start is that $200-300 is a pretty standard price for a high quality plugin compressor |
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ohshit
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:19
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If those plugs are correctly priced (800$ for CLA) i suppose that the right price for a good daw (logic, cubase, fruity loops, live, studio one...) with a load of good plugs, considering the complexity of the differents projects (from a software developer point of view) can't be less than 10 times the price of a good compressor bundle. But those daw are all, more or less, priced around 500€. So do you agree to pay 8000$ for a daw? If you do, 800$ for a compressor pack is the right price.
PS: i hate iLok!
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:28
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funny you should quote $8000 cos that's exactly how much pro tools HD costs http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PTCorePCIe1/
.. and it is the only DAW i would consider "professional quality". that is, it comes bundled with 'loads of good plugs' like you say. the plugins with cubase/logic etc are (with a few exceptions) on the whole pretty poor quality. hence why it is only $500 cos basically all you are paying for is the tracking software...
but anyway, you keep ignoring my main point which is:
consider the elysia mpressor. the hardware costs 4000 euro, the plugin costs 400. the plugin is made by the same company that makes the hardware, and by all reports sounds pretty much exactly the same. are you saying it is a rip off to be paying 1/10th of the price of the hardware for a plugin, which is much easier to use since you can run as many instances as you want etc? |
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ohshit
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:40
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:47
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UAD has also xmas discounts...
http://www.uaudio.com/products/store/index.html
Just try before you buy people... i think that is the nice thing of warez actually... i don't consider myself a pirate i do not enjoy cracking software... i will eventually buy all the tools i use, i've already started but it is not easy most of us do not work in high end studios to even afford $400 compressors.
At least i am not making that much now... but you can bet your arses all my extra bucks in this life will go to audio stuff... so after all, cracking is win win for us and companies and i'm sure it works like this for many.
I do believe prices should be lower on some stuff, but hey living in a underdeveloped country makes you think like this about everything all the time. |
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 19:18
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ohshit
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 19:51
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On 2009-12-05 17:40, ohshit wrote:
we are not speaking about hardware mate!
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You cant think like that. The cost is referring to the time and cost of developement of the plugs, not the price of the material (Hard drive space?).
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I know it, for that reason i don't accept to compare hardware and software prices.
As i can't compare Ms Word with a typing machine or Excel with a calculator.
btw i am software developer and i can say that some software is just overpriced.
Again, compare the effort to develop a daw (with budled fxs) with the effort to develop just a couple fxs. The price is the same, but the effort, i think, is very different.
Maybe you can justify that with marketing reasons but not with the bare costs of man-hours.
Sorry if i am looking selfish and ignorant.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 21:59
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we are not speaking about hardware mate!
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You cant think like that. The cost is referring to the time and cost of developement of the plugs, not the price of the material (Hard drive space?).
Altough I think Waves plugs are very expensive, I also think that alot of the opinions expressed on this board are very selfish and ingorant...
If your up for buying "high-end" plugs, talk to this guy:
http://plugindiscounts.com/
Hell hook you up with the best prices availabe 
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high end plugs made me laught ,imo there are lot of hype with plugins,a good mixer can make a good mix with freeware and his daw plugins, it can sound as good as one made with top plugins (with more work maybe),anyway in the end both of these mix sound like mix made with plugins with not much "attitude" or caractere . |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 04:11
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On 2009-12-05 19:51, ohshit wrote:
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On 2009-12-05 19:18, Fragletrollet wrote:
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On 2009-12-05 17:40, ohshit wrote:
we are not speaking about hardware mate!
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You cant think like that. The cost is referring to the time and cost of developement of the plugs, not the price of the material (Hard drive space?).
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I know it, for that reason i don't accept to compare hardware and software prices.
As i can't compare Ms Word with a typing machine or Excel with a calculator.
btw i am software developer and i can say that some software is just overpriced.
Again, compare the effort to develop a daw (with budled fxs) with the effort to develop just a couple fxs. The price is the same, but the effort, i think, is very different.
Maybe you can justify that with marketing reasons but not with the bare costs of man-hours.
Sorry if i am looking selfish and ignorant.
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you managed to conveniantly ignore what i said about pro tools being $8,000-$10,000. How exactly is the price the same? and high end plugs like the fatso or mpresssor are ridiculously more complicated then some crappy delay fx.. their price is completely reasonable imo.
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On 2009-12-05 17:40, ohshit wrote:
we are not speaking about hardware mate!
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You cant think like that. The cost is referring to the time and cost of developement of the plugs, not the price of the material (Hard drive space?).
Altough I think Waves plugs are very expensive, I also think that alot of the opinions expressed on this board are very selfish and ingorant...
If your up for buying "high-end" plugs, talk to this guy:
http://plugindiscounts.com/
Hell hook you up with the best prices availabe
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high end plugs made me laught ,imo there are lot of hype with plugins,a good mixer can make a good mix with freeware and his daw plugins, it can sound as good as one made with top plugins (with more work maybe),anyway in the end both of these mix sound like mix made with plugins with not much "attitude" or caractere .
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an outdated view of plugs imo. yeah no shit an awesome mixer can make a good mix with basic plugs, but he can make a *much* better one with high end plugs. recently there have been huge advances in plugins. some of the plugs that have come out recently, especally compressors like the fatso, CLA ones and EQs/colour type plugins like nebula have pretty much broken the devide between hardware/software. but like i said, they don't get talked about much here because you can't crack them..
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ohshit
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 11:27
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On 2009-12-06 04:11, mquirk1 wrote:
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On 2009-12-05 19:51, ohshit wrote:
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On 2009-12-05 17:40, ohshit wrote:
we are not speaking about hardware mate!
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You cant think like that. The cost is referring to the time and cost of developement of the plugs, not the price of the material (Hard drive space?).
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I know it, for that reason i don't accept to compare hardware and software prices.
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you managed to conveniantly ignore what i said about pro tools being $8,000-$10,000.
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On 2009-12-05 17:40, ohshit wrote:
we are not speaking about hardware mate!
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You cant think like that. The cost is referring to the time and cost of developement of the plugs, not the price of the material (Hard drive space?).
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I just want to to say that ProTools HD IS HARDWARE based [1 HD Core card (PCI) or 1 Accel Core card (PCIe)].
And if you have an LE version, thye price drop at $4,995. Can you recognize how they add or subtract thousands of euro in the price?
Look what I mean: http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=100&navid=72&itemid=39835
Original price: $9,990
Upgrade Price: $4,995
And they give you a free 96 I/O HARDWARE interface!
Strange how you can save 5,000$ just upgrading from a cheap software no?
This 5,000$ variation is just another example of the relationship between price and marketing: is not the amount of work that define the price (otherwise this kind of price variation are impossible).
And if you think that you can't do "professional" mixes without ProTools HD and Waves CLA plugin pack, i let you trust what do you want.
There are a lot of artists that use different solutions (i.e. DiscoHooligan did his album all in the Logic enviroment) and that the most people can't recognize the difference in a blind test.
Even if i know too that plugs quality is important, i know also that for a bad mix i am used to blame the operator not the tools.
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 12:18
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On 2009-12-06 11:27, ohshit wrote:
There are a lot of artists that use different solutions (i.e. DiscoHooligan did his album all in the Logic enviroment) and that the most people can't recognize the difference in a blind test.
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sorry what are you basing this on? your example of someone who doesn't use high end plugins is 'discohooligan'.. ok well my example of someone who uses high end plugins: every major mix engineer in the world.
i'm sure you can get away with cheapo options in psytrance because on a whole the production quality is pretty crap compared to commercial music. i would consider hardly any psytrance mixes 'professional.' on the other hand could you mix something like muse's latest album with the stock plugs in cubase? ...no. those mixes are mostly hardware anyway but when they use plugs, surprise surprise, it is stuff like the high end UAD or ones, or the CLA stuff.
if you told mark stent to produce/mix muse's latest album on cubase stock plugs, then say "ok now do it on the best plugins money can buy" and you couldn't tell the difference.. i think your ears are broken |
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ohshit
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 12:59
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you said that psytrance production quality is "pretty crap compared to commercial music" btw where is your music? let me listen something to understand what we are speaking about, or are you too poor to produce decent mixes? lol
I don't need to produce Muse i just need to have fun with music in the best way possible.
it's crap? ok, doesn't matter, i'll improve 'cause i know is more about me and my knowledge rather than the price of my tools...
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Obelizk
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 12:59
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On 2009-12-06 12:18, mquirk1 wrote:
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On 2009-12-06 11:27, ohshit wrote:
There are a lot of artists that use different solutions (i.e. DiscoHooligan did his album all in the Logic enviroment) and that the most people can't recognize the difference in a blind test.
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sorry what are you basing this on? your example of someone who doesn't use high end plugins is 'discohooligan'.. ok well my example of someone who uses high end plugins: every major mix engineer in the world.
i'm sure you can get away with cheapo options in psytrance because on a whole the production quality is pretty crap compared to commercial music. i would consider hardly any psytrance mixes 'professional.' on the other hand could you mix something like muse's latest album with the stock plugs in cubase? ...no. those mixes are mostly hardware anyway but when they use plugs, surprise surprise, it is stuff like the high end UAD or ones, or the CLA stuff.
if you told mark stent to produce/mix muse's latest album on cubase stock plugs, then say "ok now do it on the best plugins money can buy" and you couldn't tell the difference.. i think your ears are broken
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you're saying stock plugs are bad. 5,000$ is the price i could pay for a whole lot better plugs and vsts than pro tools has. Also, there are tons of artists who make amazing productions without millions of dollars of equipment. this whole place you're coming from as if money makes stuff sound good can be right if you have a great sound engineer in an expensive studio, but if you have a great sound engineer/producer in a home studio, you're going to come out with great results.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 15:06
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Is Lexicon plug in really the same sounding as the hardware version??? Is it such a plug in that you could use it on kicks and it would make it even better? I heard this is one difference between a really good reverb and not really a good one 
What is the price for the plug in version? Could not find that info..
Of course it is possible to make good music with all possible,but I believe high quality is hard to achieve with all possible.Espescially with reverbs.Also a question here : What is the best sounding plug in reverb ,if not Lexicon?
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ohshit
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 17:00
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On 2009-12-06 15:06, TimeTraveller wrote:
Of course it is possible to make good music with all possible,but I believe high quality is hard to achieve with all possible.Espescially with reverbs.Also a question here : What is the best sounding plug in reverb ,if not Lexicon?
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http://forum.isratrance.com/best-high-quality-reverbs/
obviously, good plugs that needs a lot of reserach & development are expensive (often), and it's right, but what i would mean is that, imho, some plugs are just overpriced. But think to reverse of the medal: some good plugs come for free or for few bucks!
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