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volvox box 2
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 16:31
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80% of artists say they have been rock and metal musicians (at least from infos i read on label sites)
why then 80% of the psytrance doesnt sound like rock and metal? but only some of them that really played rock and metal do. tim schuldt xenodmorph and some more.
and those adjectives added to the artists music, that dont have anything to do with their music, why using them? dont make people buy music if you dont sound like what you say you do. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 16:36
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Dark Soho has some metal kind of tracks... they have been metalheads... and lots of other artists also have blended metal with psy
i dont think you should generalize too much.. there are lots of good and honest artists out there...
just cause you have a background from metal and rock dont mean it has to reflect all the time in your work, people change and so does their music...
what one said yesterday does not have to be true the next day.... if you judge people this hard you better be perfect your self...  |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 16:40
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On 2006-03-05 16:03, New Era Scientist wrote:
when money is to be made there is no moral obligations to anyone
i want to see more free music....
but quality free music!
this is what will save the true psychedelic....
all these artists with warez software releasing there music on labels trying to make a few bucks...
and they expect people to buy their music!
i would never release anything for money using a cracked sequencer and Vst...
but for free i could
but that dont mean that quality should suffer...
I would love to see a record label that only have artists that uses legal software. when you know these artists has worked hard and are honest, they dont expect money for free...
all this should be printed on the CD booklet..
Dont make money using warezd software!!!
And stop being so fucking elit!
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a bit offtopic, but just wanted to say a comment:
I think warez software has nothing to do with this discution.
And warez software doesnīt do music by itself lol.
Iīm not defending or promoting warez, but imo I couldnīt be less bothered if the artist uses warez or not. I care about the music.
And to make good music or bad music, warez is definetelly not related with it, thats about talent and dedication. |
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volvox box 2
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 16:45
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well dear lad if you rip mp3's from the net you wouldnt care would you?
some people give cash for releases and what they get ? more marketing less music.
the metal thing is just the example, there are tons of other marketing lies.
im saying this because im in trance for a long time, and it was different before, it was all relaxed and free. there was no marketing and bullshit, labels didnt even had websites. Marketing corrodes the core of this cultures essences. Its the easiest thing to brainwash open minded people ehaehae. But yeah open mindness its not even a half from what it used to be because of reasons like these.
and you are not an artist after all arent you?
i am and i know others and i know what they do, so i can say things from my experience.
am i generalizing if my experience tells me this? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 16:58
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On 2006-03-05 16:45, volvox box 2 wrote:
well dear lad if you rip mp3's from the net you wouldnt care would you?
some people give cash for releases and what they get ? more marketing less music.
the metal thing is just the example, there are tons of other marketing lies.
im saying this because im in trance for a long time, and it was different before, it was all relaxed and free. there was no marketing and bullshit, labels didnt even had websites. Marketing corrodes the core of this cultures essences. Its the easiest thing to brainwash open minded people ehaehae. But yeah open mindness its not even a half from what it used to be because of reasons like these.
and you are not an artist after all arent you?
i am and i know others and i know what they do, so i can say things from my experience.
am i generalizing if my experience tells me this?
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Seems like you know me real well..
hehe 
i wont even bother to respond to you.. you dont want to discuss, you allready have your fixed ideas...
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And FluoSamsara, then i guess you dont want money from your music... cause i refuse to pay for music that is made with stolen instruments...
i work hard to buy my instruments, i admit i havent yet bought a sequencer and i use some cracked VST, i will buy this when time is ready and when i know what i really need and want.... i dont release any music so its not a problem, but if i would release music to people, and i know they have to pay for it i wouldnt want them to pay for someting i did without paying for everything i used in the creation...
sure i payed for all my percs and other hardware... but why should software be any different? its hard work to code that stuff..
in this matter you can say what you want but my opinion is pretty fixed, if you release music and expect people to buy it you better have a clean bag... otherwise why not go out at night and steal other things? it would give you more money...
i hate all these elits hiding behind something... they are the real thiefs!
sure many of them can make good music.. and if its the music that matters... release it for free and i wont argue..
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:02
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You are talking about mp3 riping mp3īs from artists that sell less that 1000cds (and I buy cds for your info)
Other thing is to have some software crack from a multi million dollar industry. No Iīm sorry, but no, I do not feel guilty about riping some software from Bill Gates for eg. And I donīt believe any of you do.
Waves plugins - 3000 Euros
Cubase - 1000 Euros
SOftsynths - from 100 to 500+ EACH
Now do your math. Most artits would still be bankrupt even after a lot of albums released lol. (and Iīm not counting hardware etc)
If I have my professional studio one day I will indeed buy this things. But to make some music for fun I really canīt afford it. Neither can 99% of psy producers.
If you just buy music from ppl using 100% legal software I guess you donīt buy at all
This is just my point of view |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:11
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On 2006-03-05 17:02, FluoSamsara (Oxygen) wrote:
You are talking about mp3 riping mp3īs from artists that sell less that 1000cds (and I buy cds for your info)
Other thing is to have some software crack from a multi million dollar industry. No Iīm sorry, but no, I do not feel guilty about riping some software from Bill Gates for eg. And I donīt believe any of you do.
Waves plugins - 3000 Euros
Cubase - 1000 Euros
SOftsynths - from 100 to 500+ EACH
Now do your math. Most artits would still be bankrupt even after a lot of albums released lol. (and Iīm not counting hardware etc)
If I have my professional studio one day I will indeed buy this things. But to make some music for fun I really canīt afford it. Neither can 99% of psy producers.
If you just buy music from ppl using 100% legal software I guess you donīt buy at all
This is just my point of view
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i see you point, and so we come to another point! everybody is thiefs...
so i really dont bother aswell, i steal music and i use warez software.. i bought some that i will admit sometimes you got to evenout the balance...
But when you hear all those artists bitching about that everybody downloades their music and so on, i just reract in the way i did right now... do you understand me?
all in all i try to be a honest person, i wouldnt want anybody to buy my music if i made it on warezed software...
but sure all these companies are insane and probably only want big studios to buy their products....
i might have reacted a little harsh, but its just for all those who claim money for their music they made with software they didnt pay for...
i hope you get my point and know that im no prick, i just want good music aswell..
if lables reduce the price of Cds i would buy more... but a fact is that its a circle of hypocrites... so why does everybody bitch, maybe cause they want a bigger piece of the cacke |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:16
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you could say im talking about mp3 ripping... a shitty format to be true.... but people seems to be satisfied with it....
im talking about artists that claim money for their music that involves stolen software and bitch about people downloading their tracks...
i better get the fuck out of this topic before i have a bounch of those suckers after me, i dont think my baseball bat is big enough for all of them... ill be back with heavyier artillery..
really i dont want to discuss this more, i just needed to get a heavy rock from my cheest... its all good now.. iv been a good boy and not smoking for a week so my temper might be a little higher than normal... lol |
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:19
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omg...this is awful
-145 killa baba
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:19
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No, off course not I never took it as an ofence 
I just replied because well, Iīve spent a lot of money on gear etc, I do buy music, but for me yeah, it would be completelly impossible to afford the Waves plugins for example...these products are not for home users, they are primarilly intended to professional studios, that make a LOT of money...
If I get to have one professional studio one day lol, Iīll indeed hapilly buy all the soft
But its impossible to spend 5000+ euro on software when you get paid the average 200-300 euro per track if you get to release stuff.....
Sad but true  |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:28
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On 2006-03-05 17:19, FluoSamsara (Oxygen) wrote:
No, off course not I never took it as an ofence
I just replied because well, Iīve spent a lot of money on gear etc, I do buy music, but for me yeah, it would be completelly impossible to afford the Waves plugins for example...these products are not for home users, they are primarilly intended to professional studios, that make a LOT of money...
If I get to have one professional studio one day lol, Iīll indeed hapilly buy all the soft
But its impossible to spend 5000+ euro on software when you get paid the average 200-300 euro per track if you get to release stuff.....
Sad but true
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I know exactly what you mean...
i mean i rahter spend my money on buying drums and percs and stuff that i can bang on.. physical things...
my dream is also to have my own recording studio and when i have it will be legit, like you say...
Boom FluoSamsara, you are a good person  |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:56
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boomz 
And Happy productions
And back to topic marketing is everywere where money is generated, unfortunatelly it just works lol, how many of you havenīt grabbed one cd first then the other because the first one had a more appealing cover to you? I even still get influenced by it when I open the jewel case, some covers are still more appealing than others even though I already know the music lol
The reviews from psy shop/online shops, from the reviews well pretty much all the cds online are described as "inovative" "powerfull" "amazing" and all the best words they can find, as some ppl said here I wouldnīt be surprised if they even put the same comments for several albums. Its just worthless reading youīll be able to give a better personal judgment if you donīt read them at all...
But what can we do? MArketing is everywhere, Iīve also been in the scene for a while as some ppl said here but no, I never got to see FREE music as some ppl say! where was that??
Now what really pisses me off is when you go to a party wich is marketed as being a huge thing, with a super lineup and it turns out to have shitty deco etc, and 2/3 of the artists have "last minute problems" and simply donīt come! Thats mad! Thats stealing! Now this situation sometimes is artists fault but most times I would say its the organizer fault/scam. Iīve been on parties that I went on purpose to see a specific act, and it simply didnīt go, never got my money back...and most ppl simply didnīt care much...this wouldnīt happen in other type of music business...
Many people related to the psy trance industry have not idea what being a professional is about, thats a big problem. I accept the marketing, its just a part of our society these days...but then I would demand some professionalism wich is hard to find in this scene...
There are some few professional people managing great labels and providing great festivals, even these get "injured" by all the fake propaganda etc, and loose credibility, wich is no good...
Cummon ppl! You want to have your business, your label, party organizer etc? Great! Are you able to manage such a business? But then be a professional at all times if you really want this scene to be respected one day....otherwise it will get worst and worst....
Well..lol...just wanted to share my opinion
Iīll stop here...hehe
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 18:41
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I was chatting with an international artist at a gig in Tokyo last night. It was early in the night and not many people had come. Finally 300 - 400 came. He was a little shocked at the size of the party and said he usually only plays big parties 5000+ people. I said I like underground parties. He smiled at me and just said... you gotta follow your heart, do what you want to do.
Umm, anyways, this leads me to the point of marketing and promotion and some people's distaste of it.
From the Goa dayz I think psytrance was underground and had many underground values. But with all good underground scenes eventually they become commercialised.
Now it has become a popular music around the world and there are many huge festivals. There is money in the scene. Artists like my friend above make their living from performing at big festivals around the world... I am happy for these artists and people that can make I living from doing this - it is my dream too. With this commercialism comes all the promotion, marketing and "propaganda" that comes with it.
But i come from the old goa underground scene and these are the parties i make. but its difficult to make money with this style. As soon as I set prices that would allow me to make a decent profit I will be accused of selling out. So i guess the trick is to be successful without the image of selling out.
I think a certain acceptance is needed. There is room for everyone. Goa, Full-on, pogg, underground and commercial... etc. So I accept the endless promotion and propaganda for what it is, just like watching the news and reading the newspaper... "read between the lines"
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 19:09
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The most Narcsistic cd cover i have ever seen.
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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volvox box 2
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 20:54
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ahah a fuckin monkey in a cage
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