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The art of learning and how creativity works
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Chimp in Space
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 23:32:42
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The art of learning and the process of creativity
I wanted to share some basic neuropsychology / biology / anthropology knowledge on how we humans operate when it comes to the ability to learn.
First I want you guys to know why I want to share this. For the beginners not to get discouraged in their path to learning and developing their music production skills, by having others putting them down by comments of being pretty much a copycat and that we should take our own path, or similar general comments.
Yes! You should take your own path. Take this as an example .To walk to for example to Yerushalim (your own sound or goal of music production). Someone must first point out the direction to follow and a starting path to walk. When walking you still need direction to different paths you could choose from and still being able to reach your destination.
- First path and direction = is the genre and-or artist / artists you would like to follow and sound like. Copy and imitating from in other words.
- Second path and having more options of paths = is when you have a solid foundation in imitating or when you fail to imitate so that you see other paths to choose to follow, by being influenced from. Your future fails or rather mistakes also lead you in the direction of your own sound! But the importance being that first someone must first follow something and-or someone(s). So that inspiration will persist and could be later transformed and combined from and with.
What I mean by all of this is also aimed for the commentary “experts” on the forum that discourages coping and emulation .So that you guys also understand that it is in human nature to copy and emulate before having an own “individuality” or in this case “individual sound”.
When learning how to play the piano for example. The teacher is a teacher and not the person who leave you at the piano to learn for yourself. You will learn music theory and playing the piano, by copying already existing piano scores. To continue learning or even to start to learn (like most grownups) you will also need to set goals and paths to walk by having inspiration of other composers you would like to emulate. It’s not like I would first listen to the electric guitars of Iron Maiden and be able to write a classical score without even listen first to classical masters, and taken in one or many of them to emulate.
The art of knowledge and the process of creativity go threw serial stages (mostly not logical but serial and associative) where:
1. Copying: We set a goal or a path to copy/imitate. In our case an artist / artists or –and genre and subgenre to imitate as well as the small paths like “how to sound like” for example a specific artist bass or lead etc..
2. Tranformation. We gather the knowledge we have to emulate by transforming it to something that bears our own individuality by the ambition of emulation.
3. Combine. We combine the knowledge and influences we have learned from and heard to something what we call “new” and “individual” but mostly are just a product of combining various sources.
The essential message being here that before you can think/operate outside the box, you first need a box to think/operate from. So if you are a beginner, COPY and EMULATE ! Don’t be discouraged by others that don’t have the knowledge of how to get knowledge
For you self appointed “experts” out there that you should not discourage others to go against human nature .In other words against the process of how we learn and how our creativity work. By doing so you unconsciously or even consciously damage the beginner in question developing in the art of music production by “stealing” their “energy/Light” away and throwing it in the gutter, because you yourself see no value in it. In this case being mostly the inspiration they have to continue on their paths to emulate.
I hope everyone who reads this take in the positive behind the message even though I also aim it to people who spread negative influences, mostly or only unconsciously for sure because I think no evil, So I see no evil in others here! Please don’t take it wrong. I just want to encourage all new producers to go with human nature and to erase unconscious negative forces we all possess by spreading knowledge around the fact how we learn and how creativity works. Knowledge is Light!
Even though if you don’t hear it in your own musical work. It is emulated by copying, transforming and combining. Mine is! So is the compositions of Mozart, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Daft Punk, and you!
Peace, Shalom, Namaste, Salam Aleikum
*Also so we are in the same level of understanding each other here. The word emulation refers to:
• An ambition and effort to equal, excel or surpass another; to compete or rival with some degree of success, especially through imitation (copy)
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 23:56
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very nice thank u! Positive advices  |
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panike
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 00:12
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 01:26
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nice post man! agree the copying then finding our own way, it can be the natural process of arts, not only in music .
when i look back, i think at the begining you can also make very intresting music and very unic cause you re not yet formated , we can make totally crazy shit at the begining that can turn to amazing ideas that a experienced producer may never think about but it s maybe not what beginer are really intrested in .
one of the problem is when we are young we just want to sound like guys we admire and today it s so easy to release stuff than we hear a lot of this i guess. |
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sporophore
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 01:28
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 02:10
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it s important to understand that you go nowhere copying just for copying, it s also very decouraging,cause if you re beginer it will be hard to copy and you will just get discouraged when you compare your music to what you copy.
it s just a loose of time imo i know i lost my time like this when i was young... the more early you understand it the more you can focus on developing your sound to make it sound more mature ,i don t know how to say it..
it s way harder to copy than making your own stuff so i dont see any point into it except if you have some fun thking you are astrix in front of your glass |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 02:52
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i m more talking about fanatism there and how i see it as a loose of time when one could work on developing is own sound... it s my personal experience about loosing my time playing in bands playing others music when i was young..there is no point,it was fun but now i find it was a loose of time, stupid..
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supergroover
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 12:14
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Well it is not a loss of time if you learn from other music. For example about structure, placement of sounds, etc. If you are putting in all effort to get exactly the same sound, yes maybe. But if you have a goal in mind that you want to learn I don't see anything wrong in copying and expanding.
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 14:08
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yeah true it develop technics buti see it as a limitation of creativity at the same time.
it s same when someone learn a instrument, he could learn it on his own it might lead to more intresting result that when someone is teaching him is vision about music even if it might take more time , the guy will develop is own technic that will lead him to really intresting stuff if he is talented cause no one learned him what is wrong or right to do he just folow is creativty and what sound good to him.
anyway thanks to Chimp in Space really nice to read a more scientific aproach . |
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 20:37
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ah man i think this is all unnecessary thinking.. just make your sounds as you see fit... and i dont really think creativity goes in those stages unless you follow it.. for me making music, its more of a magical thing
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 22:15
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There's a huge difference in learning by copying others and releasing music copied from others.
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SuperSK
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Posted : Sep 27, 2011 09:45
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On 2011-09-26 22:15, Beat Agency wrote:
There's a huge difference in learning by copying others and releasing music copied from others.
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