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Lucidity
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 13:12
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Hahahah! Yea we've had NOK and Fabio n Moon so people here are well familiar with that kinda sound 
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 20:49
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Sure that it is just proper mixing?
I don't know if thats true or just an acoustic hallucination but the bass sounds "wide" or maybe it sounds wide because on top of it are wide reverbed sounds?
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Lucidity
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 20:59
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Fakso, you are spot on.. thats exactly what im refering to.. I can get quite close to the tone, but still can't figure out how or why it sounds so wide and spread out yet still so defined.. I dont think its the top layered synths though ..
A lil demo, getting closer to the sound (or so I think haha) :
http://www52.zippyshare.com/v/32003413/file.html |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 21:28
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On 2013-01-28 20:59, Lucidity wrote:
Fakso, you are spot on.. thats exactly what im refering to.. I can get quite close to the tone, but still can't figure out how or why it sounds so wide and spread out yet still so defined.. I dont think its the top layered synths though ..
A lil demo, getting closer to the sound (or so I think haha) :
http://www52.zippyshare.com/v/32003413/file.html
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Yeah, me too, my basslines are groovin just right(and I finally managed to offset my untreated room a bit via monitor eq) but the overall sound lacks this fine wide proggy atmosphere
your drums and bass are fine no complaining here, but your other are all centered too?
I am currently mixing a track and some (more or less fast) autopan (ofc manual panning would be fine too I guess) is helping to get the overall stereoimage to widen:
http://www18.zippyshare.com/v/19179273/file.html
Or maybe some specific reverb settings?
I'm not quite sure if it's more like an acoustic illusion or not
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 23:21
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Try the Ozone 5 Imager tool, its a multiband stereo imaging plug. You can achieve the 'wide but still solid' bass tone thing by applying extra width to >300hz area
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Lucidity
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 00:19
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@Fakso : Grooving nicely indeed! Im thinking its an illusion created by the right amount of compression and EQ.. along with the verbs. And although you cannot pan the bass, haha, maybe you are correct in saying its the layered elements coupling with the lower end, creating a wider image all the way down..
@willsanquil : I shall give this a go!
Just realised that I don't actually have a legit stereo-imaging plugin.. and recommendations? The lightest and most CPU friendly obviously  Ozone is not very light as I understand.. |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 00:22
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that could be the trick,it adds width but very subtle, at the same time I centered the freqs below 250 nearly dead center, have the feeling it cleans up the bass sound a bit ...not so much "wide" rumble anymore
also as a send this can be a good tool but you have to watch the correlation meter I guess |
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Lucidity
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 00:31
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Interesting.. well if I take a track (Flegma & Zyce - Fallen Idols) and I phase invert the one channel, and compare it with the results of my track.. the phase cancelling is pretty much the same.. if that even tells us anything haha not that it was a legitimate way of testing but was worth a try!
Yea not a fan of any form of parallel dynamic processing hey.. 99% chance you'll have phase issues! Although maybe thats exactly it..this could be the answer, who knows! haha
I shall continue my quest in the morning! |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 01:06
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I checked middle mode - age of change (sonic entity remix) with the imager and the animation shows that it's definitly wider yet at the same time it rarly crosses the line in the middle, only during some breaks but thats the same case in my track |
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Sgt-Kabukiman
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 11:41
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On 2013-01-28 20:59, Lucidity wrote:
Fakso, you are spot on.. thats exactly what im refering to.. I can get quite close to the tone, but still can't figure out how or why it sounds so wide and spread out yet still so defined.. I dont think its the top layered synths though ..
A lil demo, getting closer to the sound (or so I think haha) :
http://www52.zippyshare.com/v/32003413/file.html
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Pretty close indeed. Nice one! Especially the transient of the bass seems to be pretty important here. And it's the one thing I don't get. How is your bass processed? What synth do you use? |
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Lucidity
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 11:52
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Thank you
Yea the finest adjustments make the worlds difference.. I use Sylenth1.. cleanest bass sound in my opinion.. and then I make use of a multi-band for some snap and then a single-band to glue it all together.. very subtle thought dont go overboard.. or maybe I should? |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 15:00
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I also think that the groove is very important without a fine groove these kbbb's will sound too sterile and not nicely flowing
So I meddle around a bit more and apply some more reverb on some tracks and also slightly widen some of them via send...the result got better and now thats maybe the worst...I mix down at about -10db...I turned on a maximizer and and the animation got pretty wide:S so the stereo image is at least in the animation nearly the same
so maybe now a good mixdown is really necessary as it makes everything so creamy
also how do I detect phase issues? never took a closer look at it...is it about killing signals only? |
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Quantic Mind
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 16:06
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I don't know about then, but I know Z. Mechanics uses quadrafuzz for widening the bassline. |
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Lucidity
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 22:26
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Yea I make many subtle velocity and note length changes.. its not really audible but gets very boring without it like you say
I see.. great stuff! Well it stands to reason, that the 'fuller' your track gets, in your case the reverb you've added, the tricker the mixdown becomes..
Positive phasing is what occurs in tracks, when sounds accumulate and fit nicely together.. negative phasing would be for example when one signal 'kills' the other signal.. to explain it in simple terms.. apologies if this is not what you were asking haha
@Quantic Mind : I shall give it a try.. never had a proper working version of it so never have haha |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 22:34
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so phaseing issues are always audible?
yes the mixdown is a part I don't like at all, with techno tracks up to 15 tracks I don't have that problem to get a cleaner sound but in progressive I'm never really satiesfied
edit: what about other techniques?
e.g reverb settings, conercing damping mostly
and do I get it right that pre delay will influence the room size as it is the incoming echo time?
Some opinions on synth sounds and fx? I don't think that they sample that much than other prog guys |
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