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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 00:35:06
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My TETR4 is a mean machine but when I try to do a 16th note bass the notes are misplaced in the song by miliseconds, the funny thing is that in "K B1 B2 B3" B1 has -0.4 delay, B2 has 0.3 delay and B3 has 0.8, its random for every note, some advance and some delay.
I tryed this with a clean saw wave and still oscilates.
Do you know what could be the problem?
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 12:14
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 12:19
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Welcome to the world of sequencing external synths via MIDI. Make some tea, roll a phat one and get used to alligning audio region transients in your DAW, fast.
My mac running Logic 8 and using the Focusrite Saffire to sequence hardware synths is much tighter than my PC running Logic 5.5 and using the Midiman Midi interface. I even brought in a friend's Emagic Unitor Midi interface, that was supposed to work very well with Logic, but it was just as bad
When I sequence the SH-101 on the new set up, all notes are delayed but by pretty much the same amount, whereas sequencing the SH-101 on my old PC I got the results you mentioned.
Its not a Mac VS PC thing, its much more to do with the interface and system set up.
Nice going on getting the Tetr4 by teh way. Its the best thing Dave Smith has done so far.
Peace out.
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 12:52
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This was exactly why i asked about Ableton in the 'music software' forum. My experience is that some hosts do a much better job. FL will chew up your midi and send it out externally in chunks of what size it feels like :S I even addressed the devs about this, and they politely told me to fuck off, literally - FL is for computer producing, they don't care for external hw 
I never had these problems with Sonar, f.ex... using the same gear... rocktight performance.
Which DAW are you using if i may ask?
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sento
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 17:18
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Man, I just tried that right now and it seems fine to me...
For delay compensation u can use in Ableton this feature...but not if u have a different delay for each note...it's a fault in the synth... u should return it for another working unit if u bought it recently.. |
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 18:17
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On 2011-08-08 12:52, Audiosonic wrote:
This was exactly why i asked about Ableton in the 'music software' forum. My experience is that some hosts do a much better job. FL will chew up your midi and send it out externally in chunks of what size it feels like :S I even addressed the devs about this, and they politely told me to fuck off, literally - FL is for computer producing, they don't care for external hw
I never had these problems with Sonar, f.ex... using the same gear... rocktight performance.
Which DAW are you using if i may ask?
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Im using Cubase 5 on a PC and with a Motu 8pre.
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 18:18
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On 2011-08-08 12:19, disco hooligans wrote:
Welcome to the world of sequencing external synths via MIDI. Make some tea, roll a phat one and get used to alligning audio region transients in your DAW, fast.
My mac running Logic 8 and using the Focusrite Saffire to sequence hardware synths is much tighter than my PC running Logic 5.5 and using the Midiman Midi interface. I even brought in a friend's Emagic Unitor Midi interface, that was supposed to work very well with Logic, but it was just as bad
When I sequence the SH-101 on the new set up, all notes are delayed but by pretty much the same amount, whereas sequencing the SH-101 on my old PC I got the results you mentioned.
Its not a Mac VS PC thing, its much more to do with the interface and system set up.
Nice going on getting the Tetr4 by teh way. Its the best thing Dave Smith has done so far.
Peace out.
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I agree with the Dave Smith comment.
I think I might consider sonar or editing note by note.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 16:27
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Surely daw Have much to do, I Have sync Problems in Logic 9... and Studio One runs well .. with the same settings ..
is your decision to edit note for note, or test other daws
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 16:55
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 17:16
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On 2011-08-15 16:27, OverloadPsystem wrote:
Surely daw Have much to do, I Have sync Problems in Logic 9... and Studio One runs well .. with the same settings ..
is your decision to edit note for note, or test other daws
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I think note by note would be insane, altough in the old days this kind of editing was common.
I have been trying out S1 but there are things that keep me from using it straight away and I have the same problem with it 2.
I tryed using a sampler(battery 3) and its a better option but can't get the same sound for some reason.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 17:28
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 12:26
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On 2011-08-15 17:28, disco hooligans wrote:
Does the Tetr4 have an oboard sequencer or arpeggiator? The Evolver had an onboard sequencer and that was very tight.
Peace out.
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are you sugesting using the sequencer for the sixteen bass notes?
I haven't try that, if that does'nt work it might be a fault within the synth no?
But the thing about using arpegiator is that if I want a long bass note I'll have to turn the arpegiator of and that will probably break a bit of my workflow but if it works its an efford I am willing to make.
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 12:54
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On 2011-08-16 12:26, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
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On 2011-08-15 17:28, disco hooligans wrote:
Does the Tetr4 have an oboard sequencer or arpeggiator? The Evolver had an onboard sequencer and that was very tight.
Peace out.
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are you sugesting using the sequencer for the sixteen bass notes?
I haven't try that, if that does'nt work it might be a fault within the synth no?
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Yes. The sequencer gets a clock from the DAW and then triggers whatever pattern you have made. It "should" work fine.
But if it doesn't work I would not be convinced there is something wrong with the synth just yet...getting a PC to be tight at MIDI was a massive pain in the ass...I improved things by tweaking Windows, but never actually got it spot on.
Anyhow have a go and see how that goes.
Peace out.
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 13:03
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rme have tight midi imo what do you use?i have seen similar problem (midi jitter) with many cards and midi interface.
agree with Dh getting a pc to have tight midi is really a pain, best thing i did was to buy rme but now i guess/hope all interfaces have improved their midi timings.
but maybe it s not the interface the problem in your case i dont know about mac but windows is known to have not super tight midi... |
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 13:07
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ditto my focusrite saffire, a lot tighter tha the delta 1011 a lot tighter tha the parallel (then) Midiman, a lot tighter than Logic's UNITOR 8.
bare in mind that the saffire I bought when I bought the MacPro so it could be that it is not the soundard's onboard MIDI interface, but the operating system...there are too many variable to dwelve into, even then I could not be bothered and edited audio regions' transients in place. Ball buster but so much necessary practisei, helped me fly my way around the arrangement editing audio, so something good came out of it after all. Still I don't know if I would be using the SH-101 so much today if the MIDI was as shite as during my PC days.
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