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Ten DO NOT Rules of Psy-Trance Production
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 17:39
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On 2009-12-11 17:01, Pythagoraz wrote:
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On 2009-12-11 02:08, soulfood wrote:
It would be nice to hear a few more interesting basslines every now and then though, right?
I like 8th note basslines with a little portamento here and there  Still trancey and still hypnotic
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+1
the bass (and kick) tells the story
Yeah, but maybe it is more a Full-on problem than a progressive problem?
-I would'nt know. Don't really listen to Full-on. :-/
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 23:49
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Some good points about the 10 Rules. But with any music, it's formulas that define it. Samples of past "gurus" are ways to pay homage to those who have inspired us and date far back in music *Om-shiva-shanti *. Without the 4/4 kick or the "trance filter" you don't have psytrance. You have another genre or style. Which is great if you're trying to go that route (thinks of several Juno Reactor tracks and how they vary). But if you're trying to pump out a psytrance pounder, then that's what you need.
Overall, the point I got from the 10 Rules is that the ego seriously needs to suppress itself in psytrance. I got into psytrance music years ago because (for the most part) it wasn't pretentious. It didn't insist upon itself and went where the trip took it. I could easily get lost in my own head listening to a dj mix or dance my arse off. In the end, it's these reasons that drew me to psytrance and it's music like this that I enjoy. Psytrance is complex with no room for the ego to invade with labels and annotations. It simply is... for the most part, that is. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 17, 2009 09:49
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On 2009-12-02 18:39, disco hooligans wrote:
There is only one rule, when inspiration runs out, roll a fat one.
Which is an extension to one of life's major rules, which is...roll a fat one.
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+1, also that there are no rules
stil, I found it kind of funny, and also i can see this person has some frustration with the genre, and some of the well-used techniques, however I am surprised he missed goldrays and raisers lol
i was on the safeside for most of them, although I admit my music is a bit more experimental..@nonetheless yeah rules are lame, and rule #1 i would have a problem with.. for one just because someone else has done it doesnt rule it out if there is a good piece out there. if the same piece has been used before, then its debatable. Terrance, Jim, Hunter, and a whole slew of others were voices of a generation, and had many good things to say, some that were overlooked, so its good newer generations get to hear them again..
in the same spirit of jest, i would like to retort with a Ten DO NOT Rules of my own personal nemesis Minimal Prog Tech-House (yeah, you know the one I will then post it to the Future Producers forum. While I do like some of this music, in recent years its become mainstream like the plague, with its aloof and style conscious crowd..
Offenders will be forced to attend a week long (we know they have weaker constitutions) club party with no water and an IV drip of cheap swill lager and cocaine with a legion of half or fully naked leggy and hot Victoria's secrets model separated by a 20in thick plate glass wall.
1) no "whooo" samples.. this was overused 20 years ago, and the fact that miami bass music exists should be reason enough not to tread this water
2) start off a track with something other than a kick and hi-hat or sparse percussion. maybe even a melody?
3) the bassline and the lead should not be the same exact midi pattern. while this sounds uber-tough and syncro, there are the concepts of harmony and counterpoint. learn them and use them
4) do not use the same distorted saw lead/bass, or the detuned layers saw aka the D Ramirez track Yeah Yeah. although I will be asking how to do this in the coming days, so I can take the piss out of it in a trance track ;-)
5) use the sequencer. why does it have to be so damn minimal all the time? it was cool 20 years ago when we only had 8 tracks, but modern sequencers have almost unlimited capacity, and while the ethic of minimalism is interesting, add some extra layers over the sparse percussion and various samples once in awhile. it will create some variation, even if the goal is to stay minimal
6) while it has become less fasionable in recent times to take psychadelic drugs, the universe has provided them as a powerful medicine for a reason. a balanced psyche being the opposite of materialist craving, the powers that be recognized this and decided they would be bad for the economy. now we are seeing just how far materialism will get us though. alchohol and coke or glamour drugs feed the ego, which is fine, but one should also find balance and solitude with the psychadelic family. i.e. its ok to get deep once in awhile. forgetting this you will be forced to work as a futures trader with a thick necked boss cracking the whip over your every trade while your salary goes in its entirety to the company shareholders who go out every night and party and do coke.
7) do not put the snare on every single 2 and 4 until the end of the song. while this creates that solid and tough groove, create some variation by using shuffly bits
8) more melodies, less percussion.. did i say that already?
9) keep your sense of humor, open mind and friendly attitude. while 'being cool' has its merits in certain situations, its ok to take some chances and be yourself. and its ok to be style conscious, but it is not the be-all-end-all. narcissism is bad mmmkay..
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 17, 2009 12:24
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How about a plagiarism rule? |
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 18, 2009 03:36
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 18, 2009 11:03
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Daleks I didnt mean you or your post. All I mean is that psy has become "standardised".
I cant understand why in any other genre, if an artist sounds exactly like another, (if he plagiarizes) he gets flayed in the court of public opinion. Not so in Psy.
My gf, who was a hardcore trancer for years, always the girl by the speakers, says shes now a goth. Because despite how bad goth music is, psy has become worse.
We're going to noisy radicals this weekend on the west coast. The Johannesburg party's saving grace was the alternative floor reportedly. Not nursing any hopes expecting nothing interesting or immersive to be played. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 18, 2009 13:37
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Oh ok.. Because there was some serious plagiarism from the original top ten, but no worries, I wasn't mad or anything
agreed about that.. But I don't think it's limited to psy, it occurs in all genres, and I think it's more a sign of the times, principally 1) less risk taking and more staying with tried and true approaches, or if you will, formulas 2) gentrification within artistic circles, public is getting less exposure to new sounds 3) severe genrefication & everything needing to be pigeonholed
but I have a feeling things are going to change again soon.. Maybe even yet a new direction
if you and your girl need a breath of fresh air from the usual, you should check out some Suomi. That seems to be the most anything goes in the spirit of music genre (?) right now
peace (^^)v
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 13:54
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Big up to
16.00-delta9
18.00-boogie monsta (whoever replaced him)
19.30-moog
21.00-hyperactive
22.30-paralocks
At noisy radicals.
The music had moving bass, and was moody and atmospheric. Really enjoyed myself.
There was some really good music there
Then at 00:00 the dwaf dwaf dwaf started. The rest of the night was assholes showing how to out techno trance each other. Went to sleep, coz I get sleepy when I get bored. Left at 06:00 not willing to wait for the tide of crap to turn.
Anyone else go? |
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 17:31
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Hey Daleks guy i feel u!!! ain't that funny how many of the old psytrancers are now minimal heads... hehe i talk about guys like save the robot, riktam / bansi, ido ophir, etc.
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 10:43
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Maska
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Posted : Dec 30, 2009 22:17
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The only true part was his bonus. As far as everything else, it is formulaic, because people love it and move to it..That's why everyone does it. If you don't like it, dont listen to it...and then he countered his argument when he said stop taking it so seriously....
But the part about people being rockstars, right on. People do tend to take this too seriously...the most fun I have had at parties were when they were small and personal and were just a group of friends..At a friends house, or in the woods somewhere with a few people....WHo cares if you train wreck once in a while as long as the music is good and it flows.....
I do agree you should be able to mix, but perfection is not necessary. it is definitely not more necessary than feeling the crowd and being able to adjust to their needs.
But then you experience perfection when you see someone like GMS DJ or perform live...WOW, a whole 'nother level........But that is the beauty of it...If you are not one of the big dogs, don't pretend to be. also, don't call the small dogs music crap, because that has its own character and personality and is great in the right setting.
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