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soulfood
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 02:08
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It would be nice to hear a few more interesting basslines every now and then though, right?
I like 8th note basslines with a little portamento here and there  Still trancey and still hypnotic |
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wizanda
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 02:46
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When first hearing psy/goa, was under the impression that it was motivated by what Adorno had written, about repetition being the downfall of music. 
An more along the lines of what Mozart had attempted in many pieces, of formulating a hypnotic patterns, by micro adjustments over the whole, thus making the mind wander and become involved (trance). 
Allot today isn't trance, its techno with a rolling bass. 
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 08:07
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Firstly:
Do you guys think its possible that the reason for bad music at parties could be that organisers get cheaper acts? And that is why criticism doesn't work? because either way the money comes in, or there just isnt enough to afford real musicians?
How much more does it cost to get a critically acclaimed musician like telemasca, infected, phatmatix etc at a party as opposed to a local monkey who works for peanuts, doesnt draw crowds and disappoints with repetetive techno posing from ignorance as psy?
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Just throwing an idea out there, but how about having a panel of critical judges to rate artists on a page, according to dimensions like originality, variety, character, consistency, musicality, proficiency and technical superiority.
And no, not everyone can be a judge, and also no, if a judge makes un-objective criticisms then he would not be allowed to carry on.
This would allow a benchmark for quality of acts, akin to "regulation", which gives people an informed choice, as opposed to the usual methods used by unscrupulous marketers to give people millions of undifferentiable products to choose from based on price alone.
This would have incentives for both the artists to submit and shoot for higher scores as they would be able to command more prestige, and charge more for their acts,
and also it would provide incentives for people to attend parties with dj's with higher objective scores, therefore provide incentives to hire higher score dj's.
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mk47
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 09:31
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a panel of critical judges ? wtf , music is too subjective , you rate talamasca highly while i think its rubbish boring music for example , and i could go in detail why i think it to be that , and shouldn't people know beforehand what to expect just by the lineup ? all in all rubbish idea  , sorry , its more fun just going to parties where u know you`l get your preferred choice of music and avoid the rest .
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 10:20
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mk47 - Im only proposing to rate music according to how much skill it takes to make, with the assumption that it it takes more skill to make well made music.
As an indicator I propose judging skill based on basic traditional musical devices. Like ability of a composer to keep interest alive by using contrast, dynamics as well as ability to sound different from the crowd.
It does not mean that you cannot prefer badly made music, it just means that everyone will have more information on which to avoid "artists" who do not appeal to them. Which is a massive problem at the moment to differentiate the hordes of start-ups without spending time. Therefore it never gets done.
This would institutionalise a system that would improve the quality of information about artists. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 10:28
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On 2009-12-11 02:08, soulfood wrote:
It would be nice to hear a few more interesting basslines every now and then though, right?
I like 8th note basslines with a little portamento here and there Still trancey and still hypnotic
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those are niiiiiice
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Andrew
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 14:09
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 16:59
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I agree that it would be great with a few more talented reviewers in general. But "a panel of judges" seems a bit far fetched. After all It is Art and You can't just put everything in boxes based on some universal criteria in my oppinion. A track One finds very varied and dancable, another might find boring and too monotone.
But yeah, the reviews are few and the intelligent reviews are even fewer.
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 17:01
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On 2009-12-11 02:08, soulfood wrote:
It would be nice to hear a few more interesting basslines every now and then though, right?
I like 8th note basslines with a little portamento here and there Still trancey and still hypnotic
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Yeah, but maybe it is more a Full-on problem than a progressive problem?
-I would'nt know. Don't really listen to Full-on. :-/
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smehoparanoya
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 18:10
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On 2009-12-11 17:01, Pythagoraz wrote:
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On 2009-12-11 02:08, soulfood wrote:
It would be nice to hear a few more interesting basslines every now and then though, right?
I like 8th note basslines with a little portamento here and there Still trancey and still hypnotic
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Yeah, but maybe it is more a Full-on problem than a progressive problem?
-I would'nt know. Don't really listen to Full-on. :-/
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not necessarily, since a lot of progressive music follows same rules it sounds very similar, just like full-on (that you are talking about), I still manage to find a lot of very interesting and unusual music among Greek, Macedonian and Russian producers, Israeli on the other hand make me bored most of the time, and that is after 8 years of mixing and overall 12 years of trance music gotta look for it harder
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soulfood
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 19:01
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Collective habit.
Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 19:26
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On 2009-12-11 08:07, bukboy wrote:
Firstly:
Do you guys think its possible that the reason for bad music at parties could be that organisers get cheaper acts? And that is why criticism doesn't work? because either way the money comes in, or there just isnt enough to afford real musicians?
How much more does it cost to get a critically acclaimed musician like telemasca, infected, phatmatix etc at a party as opposed to a local monkey who works for peanuts, doesnt draw crowds and disappoints with repetetive techno posing from ignorance as psy?
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How much do those artists costs- short answer is more than what is usually worth spending. Large festivals that draw thousands of people should be able to bring big names.
It depends on the promoter I guess. It sucks that there are promoters in this scene that actually care about money. That's probably the one good thing the US has imo. Our budgets are tight and we almost never break even. This makes us very picky on the lineups and since we don't throw many parties, anyone who gets a chance to play knows it's their time to shine and they have a lot of incentive to play perfectly (even though they're not getting paid). People around here will help out running sound for a weekend party (while not getting paid to do so) just to get an opening slot at a future party.
Maybe the djs should suffer more criticism. It's cool to see people improve when you critique their mixing, track selection, eqing, etc. I see a lot of people complaining to people who won't change things, so it's just wasted breath. To fix something you have to talk to the person who can actually fix it.
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 12, 2009 04:44
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 13:21
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Ascension - The hippy disdain for money is misguided. Money is just a tool for people to trade what they produce. If people dont wanna pay for something, it means that they dont think its worth trading their work for.
I think that hippie's lamenting something as useful and successful at expanding humanity as money, comes from their gullibility in believing some f'ing idiot idealist guru parasite's con, (Pardon the french ) who has no problem with taking their money for runes and reiki treatments. Anyway...
Would it really be that bad if people thought it was a worthwhile show to trade to see?
Making money is about organising people into groups that efficiently create things others are willing to trade their surplus for. Its called economic growth. Its not a bad thing, coz it feeds people.
I think the psy hippy scene needs a philosophy overhaul. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 15:44
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I'm not talking about hippy disdain for money, I know that whole discussion and I agree it's bs. It's not a bad thing to make money on parties, but it usually ends up being a problem when this is the promoter's main concern. It might sound innocent, but I've seen too many bad instances happen when a promoter was only concerned with money.
I could throw parties and make money on them if I went cheap on everything, but that would be unfair to everyone at the party. I'd rather lose money and throw a really good party, than throw something mediocre and make a few bucks.
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