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Ten DO NOT Rules of Psy-Trance Production
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 05:34
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What I find refreshing is that I am hearing that party organisers in SA are refusing to invite DJ's who do not play melodic trance, coz it screws everyones vibe, and is "shit trance"
whatever "melodic" may be, I think its a step in the right direction. The "parties" are finally protecting themselves from pretentious DJ's who dont play the music the people wanna hear.
A bold step indeed, coz of how everyone in the scene is too afraid to step on anyone elses bullshit freedom of expression.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 09:41
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I like those rules, even more no rules.. however.. well delays... man.. they are so essential for that "mind repeating" effect and do so much depend on the ways you use them. The rule about them.. well not for me.
And steady basslines can be extremely important for the hypnotic effect, so also this point doesn't really make sense for me.
But it was fun to read  really mentioning a lot of very important things.
I don't think psytrance is becoming worse, though. I think it has been crap all the time.. 
Seriously 90% of all releases in all times have been formulaic in one way or another. I don't see more formulaic trance today than 10 years ago. Just that today the formulaic guys get famous and 10 years ago it was the other way round which is a pitty.
maybe due to the labels who don't take risks anymore because they haven't got enough money to risk because...
And the organizers who only put the names from the big labels because...
And the trancer who only buy the releases... wait.. they don't buy them...
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 12:58
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Subconsciousmind - I dont agree that all trance is crap. I actually got hooked on a range of incredibly diverse tracks which could only exist in a genre like psy.
Then I found out when going to parties that diversity is not what gets played.
Is that the basis for the differentiating concept "living room psytrance" vs "dance floor psytrance"?
What exactly do these mean? Because it sounds like someones got some false expectations. Expecting the world and getting a turd.
I doubt Psy has always been crap. I strongly suspect it has to do with quality control. Psy suffers terribly from lack of quality control. Because hippies don't have a spine, they're too busy working on their indigo aura.
No-one is willing to stand up and say "HEY! your music is not good enough to play, it doesnt make me feel like dancing. Actually, it makes me feel like leaving"
Because no-one has the spine to criticise, the level of available performance, drops as low as the self image of the untalented allows, which is pretty low and deluded.
Can we please start having feedback forms on the artists at parties? That should give em some incentive to win over the mere dancers.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 14:22
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On 2009-12-10 12:58, bukboy wrote:
Subconsciousmind - I dont agree that all trance is crap.
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of course it is!!
Man did you read my post at all? one line later there came a "seriously 90%"
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pavaka
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 14:50
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 15:06
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 15:49
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Subconsciousmind - I phrased it that way then was too lazy to change it when I thought about it. Sorry.
Id still like to know about what "living room psytrance" vs "dance floor psytrance" means and implies. Any ideas?
Pythagoraz - I think avoiding making "rules" has become a monster. No "rules" = no selection criteria for quality. No "rules" = no way of differentiating choices.
Basically by throwing out rules, hippies have thrown out very important objective qualities in music like proficiency of performance, composition, inspiration, originality.
What has happened is that the lack of rules has killed the very thing it hoped to promote, variety. |
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Pagan
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 15:58
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On 2009-12-10 12:58, bukboy wrote:
Subconsciousmind - I dont agree that all trance is crap. I actually got hooked on a range of incredibly diverse tracks which could only exist in a genre like psy.
Then I found out when going to parties that diversity is not what gets played.
Is that the basis for the differentiating concept "living room psytrance" vs "dance floor psytrance"?
What exactly do these mean? Because it sounds like someones got some false expectations. Expecting the world and getting a turd.
I doubt Psy has always been crap. I strongly suspect it has to do with quality control. Psy suffers terribly from lack of quality control. Because hippies don't have a spine, they're too busy working on their indigo aura.
No-one is willing to stand up and say "HEY! your music is not good enough to play, it doesnt make me feel like dancing. Actually, it makes me feel like leaving"
Because no-one has the spine to criticise, the level of available performance, drops as low as the self image of the untalented allows, which is pretty low and deluded.
Can we please start having feedback forms on the artists at parties? That should give em some incentive to win over the mere dancers.
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I agree fully with you on this.
I remember the raves back in the 90's in jhb.
Some were awesome, some were so crap it wasnt even funny.
I cant even remember the amount of times we had an "international DJ" that sucked ass so badly we werent even interested in hanging around.
If anything, the best parties I have ever been to are the underground ones.
A particular psy party comes to mind actually.
We had such a jol at a backpacker lodge outside PMB the one time.
Best thing is all the DJ's were local boys and we were all there purely for the party.
We didnt even get charged to come in.
HAHA. and i gotta mention this one tidbit.
the next morning we missioned off into the bush to find the waterfall(there was one along the river)
So imagine a line of people trekking through the bush looking for a waterfall, still carrying drinks and all out of our trees.
Best bit was the psytrance reverbing off the hills.
Such an amazing feeling.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 16:22
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On 2009-12-10 15:49, bukboy wrote:
Subconsciousmind - I phrased it that way then was too lazy to change it when I thought about it. Sorry.
Id still like to know about what "living room psytrance" vs "dance floor psytrance" means and implies. Any ideas?
Pythagoraz - I think avoiding making "rules" has become a monster. No "rules" = no selection criteria for quality. No "rules" = no way of differentiating choices.
Basically by throwing out rules, hippies have thrown out very important objective qualities in music like proficiency of performance, composition, inspiration, originality.
What has happened is that the lack of rules has killed the very thing it hoped to promote, variety.
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I fully agree on what you say about rules. Also your thought on what happens to quality etc. I share.
As for the living-room vs dancefloor-psy
For me such a thing doesn't exist and in my opinion this kind of distinction can only come out of the inability to dance freely of some people. I know very well myself that at some times I just don't feel like dancing so much and then I appreciate music that makes it easy for me to dance to, but at the end of the day I know that if I'm just free and powerful enough I can enjoy dancing to all (good) music, no matter how fast or in psytrance terms, "dancefloor-compatible" it is.
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 18:11
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On 2009-12-10 15:49, bukboy wrote:
Subconsciousmind - I phrased it that way then was too lazy to change it when I thought about it. Sorry.
Id still like to know about what "living room psytrance" vs "dance floor psytrance" means and implies. Any ideas?
Pythagoraz - I think avoiding making "rules" has become a monster. No "rules" = no selection criteria for quality. No "rules" = no way of differentiating choices.
Basically by throwing out rules, hippies have thrown out very important objective qualities in music like proficiency of performance, composition, inspiration, originality.
What has happened is that the lack of rules has killed the very thing it hoped to promote, variety.
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Of course tehre are rules. But the rules the OP linked to are completelty based on the writers personal taste yet described by him as some sort of rule set for all Psyproducers. That is incredibly Arrogant of him and I can't take him seriously at all..
Regarding the overall quality of Trance: the lack of quality has always been here and there, what changed was the fact that more people started producing because of the limited amount of equipment needed to do so and therefor the amount of boring Psy obviously increased as well. The same is the case with other genres that does not require big equipment setups of multiple instruments and recording gear like e.g. Rockmusic requires in order to go pro. If You look at the Rap/Hiphop-scene they hav at least as much crap as we do. In other words, it's just a biproduct of the growing interest in electronic music.
I don't really see the problem though, You can still avoid "buying" music you don't like and find those (maybe few) artists you like and concentrate on them. If there is no newer psy You like at all then maybe You just need to listen to older Trance? -I know I do for the most part. Nothing wrong with that I think...
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 19:16
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the 10 rules contained a lot of typical formulaic patterns used often, not only taste.
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 22:34
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bluename fight!!! bluename fight!!! bluename fight!!!
XD
Maybe rule guy was just trollin0 youall... successful troll is successful. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 22:37
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Dec 10, 2009 23:19
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On 2009-12-10 19:16, subconsciousmind wrote:
the 10 rules contained a lot of typical formulaic patterns used often, not only taste.
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There is a reason why 16. rolling bass etc. is used often. it works!
What you put on top of it can make it unique and interesting or boring... I don't agree at all. But maybe that's just me.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 00:06
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On 2009-12-10 23:19, Pythagoraz wrote:
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On 2009-12-10 19:16, subconsciousmind wrote:
the 10 rules contained a lot of typical formulaic patterns used often, not only taste.
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There is a reason why 16. rolling bass etc. is used often. it works!
What you put on top of it can make it unique and interesting or boring... I don't agree at all. But maybe that's just me.
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I totally agree, I already wrote above that I don't agree about the delay and bass rule
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