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MARGHERITA
Master Margherita
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 22:07
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hello sy 
i agree
is philosophy or supremes mathematics, i'm a musician not a scientist 
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D-Jade
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 18:37
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First of all I must agree with both points Mathematical and Soulful when it come to music generation. Without the human element all we would have is a series of bleeps that sound like the computers sound in 50's movies. But I have been doing quite a bit of research on the relation between mathematics, particularaly Sympathetic Vibratory Physics and it's relation to music. It is incredible to say the least. Without going off the deep end, too late, this type of physics states that everything in the universe originates from the vibrations being created by atoms bouncing off of eachother. This can be directly related to the tribal rhythms of ancient shaman and thier ability to drum in a tempo that will subconsciously produce a fundamental frequency well below the audible range of humans generating Alpha (8-13 Hz) and Theta (4-7) thus projecting them into trances and hightened states of consciousness. Which brings me full circle to the point that these frequencies ARE SCIENCE AND PROVEN. I am still experimenting with notation and tempo according to these rules. Check these Links out if your interesting the this kind of stuff:
http://www.frank.germano.com/svp.htm
http://www.psychic101.com/brainwaves-beta-alpha-delta.html
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 23:39
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if Da Vinci and other painters can use mathematics (Golden ratio, Fibonacci spiral, the law of 3 harminics, perfect harmonics etc.)...
if every architectural desing from piramids of Maya and Egypt up to modern glass towers follows some mathematical rules (Golden ratio, Fibonacci etc.)...
... than why would music be any different?
Why all the piramids have 432 units in the base? Why do we have 440 Hz standard when all the ancient instruments ware tuned differently (like 432 Hz). Why we have equal temperament scales when sound is not linear in it's nature? Why do we calculate octaves from the middle of the frequency scale (440 Hz) when it would be natural to start from first octave (27 to 54 Hz)?
I you just accept the 440 Hz standard tuning and equal temperament scales... you'll always wonder why your music doesn't sound as good as some other tracks do.
If you can't see the connection beetween tempo and pitch... than you're just not ment to be a musician.
Everything is frequency... every sound comes from silence and echoes down the memorie 
 "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Martinlivet
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 14:41
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Why all the piramids have 432 units in the base? Why do we have 440 Hz standard when all the ancient instruments ware tuned differently (like 432 Hz). Why we have equal temperament scales when sound is not linear in it's nature? Why do we calculate octaves from the middle of the frequency scale (440 Hz) when it would be natural to start from first octave (27 to 54 Hz)?
I you just accept the 440 Hz standard tuning and equal temperament scales... you'll always wonder why your music doesn't sound as good as some other tracks do.
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Please tell me more on how to do this.. I want to sound that good 2! |
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makus
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 14:41
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On 2005-01-11 03:22, nick wrote:
Gentlemen, you misunderstand me. I was simply pointing out that an event occuring 120 times per minute (say, a kick drum on every beat at 120 bpm) is a periodic event. Any periodic event can be expressed in hertz. 120 bpm is 2Hz. 2Hz is basically C, seven octaves below middle C.
It is not exact because of equal temperament and other things, but if one cares, one can choose closely related tempo and tonality so as to able to travel easily between the perceptual realms of pitch and rhythm.
Example: Your tune is in C at 120 bpm. You cut up a loop and retrig one 32nd note. You will hear a tone at 64Hz which is roughly C two octaves below middle C. This tone can then be sampled and integrated to the pitch based parts of the song.
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yeah, weird theory to use but quite interesting. this must be the first step to teach AI to make music =)
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 15:39
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AI will never make music as good as artists coz AI has no emotions. The feeling of different emotions is a purely contingent evolutionary product based on experience and the ability to feel. We have human emotions coz we are all basically similar, i.e. experiencing similar situations through similar perceptions. An AI would have to have the same perceptions before it could feel as we do. More importantly we would have to perceive like the AI to understand its emotions.
(Maybe an emulation of a brainscan of mozart could make great music, but only because of its past experiences as a human)
THE BEST music uses a combination of good technique and emotional content. i.e. to make us experience a catchy tune and associate emotions with it coz of its structure that mimics human feelings.
Enhancing pure musical structures with emotional content takes skill and knowledge of intended emotional effect.
Although Technique could well be learnt by AI, it would have to have similar capacity for experiencing emotions as we do in order for the intended emotional effect to be empathised with by us, and not sound alien and contentless.
so Although a computer might be programmed with the skill, and it might even attempt to include emotions that it feels, AI would have to be so similar to us in the 1st place before we could empathise with its creation that it might as well be one of us. But all in all, computers which are inhuman, can never make THE BEST human music,
at least until they feel and perceive like humans.
Thats assuming that humans have an unlimited ability to feel different emotions. If not then over time we may well be quantified and fully understood without having to be human. At which point AI's could well entertain us fantastically. |
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makus
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 16:59
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wow, mate, i'm sorry, i was just kidding
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well they still will have a chance to make the best inhuman music right?
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 21:53
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totally. pity that we wouldnt understand it
Sorry I didnt mean to be lecturing. Just wish more than a handful of good trance was coming out.
Sorry for the offtopic.Again. I felt it was appropriate after 432 came up again in a tonality thread. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 01:38
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vegetal
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 11:59
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On 2008-01-11 15:39, bukboy wrote:
AI will never make music as good as artists coz AI has no emotions. The feeling of different emotions is a purely contingent evolutionary product based on experience and the ability to feel. We have human emotions coz we are all basically similar, i.e. experiencing similar situations through similar perceptions. An AI would have to have the same perceptions before it could feel as we do. More importantly we would have to perceive like the AI to understand its emotions.
THE BEST music uses a combination of good technique and emotional content. i.e. to make us experience a catchy tune and associate emotions with it coz of its structure that mimics human feelings.
Enhancing pure musical structures with emotional content takes skill and knowledge of intended emotional effect.
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The best music? lol Do you know that as a fact or are you just making things up?
Emotions is not something that universal, what you find sad can be something happy to another. Just as a flat chord is considered to be a "sad" in western music but in other cultures a flat chord is not considered to be "sad".
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MadScientist
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 11:59
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for the static tuning of 440, I know logic is able to work with different global tunings...there should be also presets for that!
I didnt do it yet tough...its on my list of things to try soon 
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
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jobaba
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 04:03
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hey nick hi im jo and im new here but i really liked what u wrote about the key to beat thing...i was thinking though that 140 beats is in minutes...so 140 times 60 seconds would be the write way of calculating it to realte it to freq...am i right here or way off the tangent....since freq is cycles per second |
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Upavas
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 04:23
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 15:43
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Off topic - im not killing off AI. I encourage it. I would love for a conscious AI to be created. Immediately people would be forcefully confronted with the reality that consciousness is at least sometimes purely physical. And would be incontrovertibly shown that consciousness is NOT NECESSARILY spiritual(this is a massive assumption that most people have).
It would simultaneously royally fuck all religions everywhere. Including the hippies and eclectic mayan end calender 2012 spiritualists. HAPPY DAYZ!
P.S. on december 22 2012 (I think thats the date) I predict completely without doubt that nothing amazing will happen. And I hope that all the assholes who believe this shit will realize how much of their lives they have wasted on this crap.
Cant wait! Cant wait! 
Totally off topic !! guilty.
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Elad
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