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aXis
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 19:20
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well .... if thats ur opinion !
Others shud speak as well |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 19:41
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On 2007-09-25 10:00, aXis wrote:
imho, I have been disappointed to see that the quality of original released Cds are anything but at par wit lets say Gwen stefanis new album .
That brings me to my point , Is it the fact that our mastering is not so pro ?? or maybe its technical mastering, not creative mastering like sir Bob Katz.
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i think it s not the mastering but more the mixing stage who is not very good in pystrance cause it s hard to mix compared to some other style of music and cause you don t need to know somethign about production to release a track it ll just sound more underground lol (i have nothing against that..) a good mix ll sound better than lot of psytrance with just a limiter as mastering tool. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 19:45
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I haven't heard Gwen Stefani so I can't comment on how most trance compare to her releases.
But if you prefer her sound, just listen to her instead?
Underground music usually doesn't sound like chart music, and I personally don't think it should.
And it's quite obvious that even if you think it's important to be on par with Gwen Stefani in mastering quality there is not a single trance artist that sells enough records to justify having one of the worlds top engineers doing the mastering, just like it would be crazy to invest in a top class recording studio to use for producing trance.
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 19:49
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and i m not sure it ll sound a lot better after a mastering in a big studio, if it s crap from the start |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 20:02
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Shit in, shit out. Its a rule and its not one of those that are made to be broken.
I think people in this thread confuse the artistic merit of psytrance and pop productions, with the engineering part, as in a well balanced, fat mix.
Although I like Gwen Stefani and think that the producers and engineers have done stellar work with "her tunes", I don't think its fair to compare,say Kox Box with Timbaland. They use a completely different approach to production and address very different audiences. It don't matter how much you know and the gear you use, you can't have the myriads of trance synth lines cutting through the same way, the one and only minimoog patch does on DrDre's Nuthing but a G-Thang. |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 20:31
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On 2007-09-25 19:45, Spindrift wrote:
But if you prefer her sound, just listen to her instead?
Underground music usually doesn't sound like chart music, and I personally don't think it should.
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ya this is pretty much what i think and what i was trying also to say  +1
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 21:02
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On 2007-09-25 18:31, aXis wrote:
Solution - Let there b fewer labels ?? and kill the most promising upcoming acts ?
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Let there be fewer labels ? YES
and kill most promoising upcomng acts ?? NO
dont make it sound like it has to do one with each other.. on the other hand i can say maybe with fewer labels actualy the real promising acts will be published and the medium quality stay out
this will be good for the good artists (who gets to realese with the best labels not crappy ones)
and great for he labels (who sell more cd's due to the "cake split" theroy , less realeses meen each sell more and can invest more on the realeses)
and awsome crowd (who get only top quality music and sound quality)
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 21:46
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orange
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 22:01
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On 2007-09-25 21:46, Colin OOOD wrote:
But what about all the pooooor wannabe artists who won't get released... surely their divine right to inflict mediocre music on the masses will be infringed if this happens?
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yes what about them? if this happens we will never release nothing and we will die out of pure misery and loneliness!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 22:04
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 23:13
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bandarlog
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 23:27
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The words psytrance in combination with industry and pop somehow adds up to 'boring fullon, skazi and infected mushroom (anno 2007)' in my mind. Now who wants that?
Besides, if you listen to some nowadays progressive, it sounds much better, wider and deeper than lots of pop music. Most 4/4 music just isn't mixed/mastered to be played on your local 102fm hitradio thru 8watt mini systems. So yes, lots of popmusic has very good and expensive mastering for all purposes but still: at big (psytrance)festivals the sound(quality) often blows me away. Now that's something you CAN'T say of popfestivals (especially rockfestivals).
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soulfood
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Posted : Sep 26, 2007 03:17
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I don't think it's a question of this doesnt sound as good as that" and... such, for myself anyway.
I like how psy trance is produced, all bright and shiny often so much it lacks a bit of warmth, but thats all good with the exception of a small few.
I think people should be proud of what's there. As a trance lover, I really couldn't give a sneeze if the overall processing isn't the best in the world. I can hear that a lot of time and love goes into this music and I appreciate it for that. The quality is just another part of the culture surrounding the music and that to me holds a lot of meaning.
I love old crackley vinyl. More often than not when people remaster their old stuff it just doesnt have "it".
Now I know we live in the fast paced world of HD screens and mobile phone/camera/hifi hybrids that don't even know what they are anymore, but you should take some time to appreciate what's there and how it got there in the first place, usually your regular average joe at his/her (josephine?) computer, just experimenting with beats and sounds.
If all released music had to be that same quality, you wouldn't really hear anywhere near as much and it would just slow down the musical evolution.
I am aware there are some audiophiles out there who need it crystal clear and I respect that and empathise with you, but at the end of the day you probably have nicer speakers than I do so  |
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the daleks
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Posted : Sep 26, 2007 05:20
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psytrance and underground music have roots that go back to psychedelic rock, punk (in spirit, I believe, maybe not so much in sound), and the blues(?), and pretty much every other music form that has evolved to now.
this may be a personal preference, but I agree with most others on this thread and tend to like a 'raw' sound as opposed to an overly produced sound. not in all cases, but in alot the more produced it sounds the less of the raw power of the artist comes through. while this takes on a diffferent meaning with electronic instruments, it still is interesting to hear some of the human elements, and imperfections. we may be in that realm where producer, musician, and engineer are mixed, but as we are creating music, to me the musician aspect is the most important. Robert Johnson with his one guitar and really bad recording still blows me away compared to any present day pop drivel
maybe one thing that could be done in psy is less reliance on software instruments, and perhaps a return to the source with analog gear...
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Pinkadelic @ ciledakniP
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Posted : Sep 26, 2007 05:28
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On 2007-09-25 10:23, Seppa wrote:
Its difficult to judge a mastering job without actually hearing the unmastered version of a track.
Many people do their own mastering without real qualification or even the proper equipment and acoustics....
A good mastering engineer will have years of experience as a mixing engineer before even thinking of doing mastering...
.... but I don't think the problem is the mastering, its the mixing....
A track should sound good and proper at the end of mixing stage....
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totally agree with you.
alot of people dont give a shit about the mix, then they just master at the end.
the mix has to sound good on its own, then the mastering is just the finishing touches.
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