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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Jan 31, 2009 17:04
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jorge
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 19:39
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here in mexico all the crowd i used to see in psy partys now is more into the minimal techno scene.
i think ppl in mexico got bored of psytrance.
www.myspace.com/earthwaves7 listen please and tell me waht do you think |
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Djones
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 20:19
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Although I'm alot more into Psytrance, I very much enjoy some fresh Techno beats during a Psytrance festival, after a long run of Psy music.
Those shuffled beats are just like a relief! |
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phasetech
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 21:26
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On 2009-02-24 19:39, jorge wrote:
here in mexico all the crowd i used to see in psy partys now is more into the minimal techno scene.
i think ppl in mexico got bored of psytrance.
http://www.myspace.com/earthwaves7 listen please and tell me waht do you think
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nice music i really enjoyed it
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phasetech
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 21:41
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 08:50
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I think the difference between well made music in any genre, and badly made stuff is in the enunciation. ???!!!
What I mean is:
consider the way a drummer enunciates a drum solo. He will naturally play harder on the notes he feels more, and take longer pauses in between the important notes. This gives the line an emotive feel that a sequencer cannot.
Now if you listen to an accomplished artist, you will see that the accomplished artist makes sure that every single aspect of his music is enunciated with feeling and attitude, And this will have the effect of grabbing the listeners attention from second 0:00 and keeping it, whereas crappy artist will not know the importance of enunciation, and wishy-washily blunder around for the entirety of the song, never expressing a statement.
IN agreement, the genre is not what you should base decisions on, but rather the ability of the artists.
Great techno is catscan. (the world is mine) Fantastic stuff. |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 11:21
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Im doing some techno remix these days and from the first hand I can tell techno is far more unpredictable than trance.. It is monotone and repetitive but not boring just cause of that unpredictibility.. While trance uses melodies techno uses that anticipation feel..
I was really impressed when I realized most of the sounds come just from drum machines like 808 and 909, its amazing what can be pulled of from just one conga sound.. While in trance people tend to create fresh sounds techno bases on old ones and remaking them in a new way.. Two completely different worlds..
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 11:45
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On 2009-02-25 11:21, x-rayz wrote:
Im doing some techno remix these days and from the first hand I can tell techno is far more unpredictable than trance..
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Whilst I respect your opinion (although I disagree), I believe we are comparing apples and oranges.
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 13:36
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maybe the sound/audio in trance are more unpredictable but Im talking about the structure/midi of techno.. Its not that its unpredictable cause its repetative so it cant be unpredictable but theres one word used in music theory which describes it better and I cant remember which now so I used "unpredictable".. Basically what they do is rhytm goes in sync and repeating and than some part goes out of sync.. I hope u dig me, Ill try to find a word.. If u know what I mean help me remember.. Its not counterpoints but..
Maybe the most appropriate word would be nuances.. To be more precise, not nuances in pitch but in time.. Thats what I meant when I said out of sync.. Cause when u hear it first time its so unpredictable, but once that rhythm starts repeating it becomes normal and predictable and u anticipate it but it still wiggles cause its out of sync.. http://www.facebook.com/xrayzproductions
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shellbound
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 16:36
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syncopation? polyrhythm? |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 20:19
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do you mean "shuffle" ?
it became a bit overused in the last half year, especially in standart-minimal-tunes. the trick is just to set a delay for every second 1/16-note (the notes between the kickdrum and the offbeat-hihat).
some smart tunes have the delay slightly getting longer and longer while the beat goes until it suddenly restarts at zero which sounds like the tune beeing matched suddenly again, can work out greatly.
the cool thing about shuffle is, it realy fills transient rooms where usually no transients are and make the overall drums more rolling - in case you do not shuffle everything which would negate this effect and is aiming for a more "shaking" global groove within the track - which was heared a lot in the last time as explained above.
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 20:36
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yes guys, syncopation and shuffle, I was thinking about that, well more about syncopations actually..
polyrhythm is interesting, didnt knew about it..
mantik, Ill try that in this techno remix Im doing just dont want to get it overused cause original is full of syncopations and shuffles..
Its really hard to produce that techno cause its so hypnotic.. I just sit and when I press play its like Im paralyzed, it really gets u into hypnosis and u cant snap out of it and get creative.. Whats worse the voice in a loop goes "theres a circle in my mind".. Ill have to figure out some anti-hypno techniques..
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 01:25
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Now if only people weren't trying to share so much then maybe they would make something unique.  |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 01:37
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Kitnam
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 14:07
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On 2009-02-27 20:36, x-rayz wrote:
Its really hard to produce that techno cause its so hypnotic.. I just sit and when I press play its like Im paralyzed, it really gets u into hypnosis and u cant snap out of it and get creative.. Whats worse the voice in a loop goes "theres a circle in my mind".. Ill have to figure out some anti-hypno techniques..
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focus on the arrangement and play with your elements in the loop, automate them. do not "add" something. just make it more organic. techno is not about stacking things on each other, this is something a dj is doing.
but when he does not do, the tracks needs to work on its own, without too much controll. the controll needs to be in the hands of the dj, not the track. therefore your loop needs to be a good balance between a tool and a listenable track, which only has very fine and small changes.
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