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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 14:05
+1 on that pipes
example by myself that the last months discovered Procs music and though not being into so much experimental stuff, was really amazed by his style/structure/mixing and the overall aspect and view of the tracks .
commercial does not represends always quality, thats for sure
ps..im total irrelevant with techno, i mean total & would like someone to point me too on some really good stuff to listen their mixes , thanx
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 14:09
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On 2009-01-27 11:20, hugaw wrote:
professional techno producers show a billion best skills than trance producers
True .
gutter
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 14:11
gimme a link to that please
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 14:19
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On 2009-01-27 14:09, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
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On 2009-01-27 11:20, hugaw wrote:
professional techno producers show a billion best skills than trance producers
True .
Not true. Its just that different people like different things. There is no techno tune that has the drive and psychedelic aggressiveness that some trance tunes have, just like there is not trance tune that has the deep vibe and intricate, complex groove that some techno tunes have simply because 99% of trance music has that 16th bassline that is incredibly restricting when it comes to creating a groove.
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 14:28
Yes Richie is a prime example, as is Chris Liebing, Adam Beyer, Robert Babicz, Gui Boratto, Valentino Kanzyani, Nathan Fake and going a bit on the harder side DAVE the drummer...but will the trance people "get it"?
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 15:24
thanx for artists, gonna check them
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 15:42
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On 2009-01-27 04:42, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2009-01-27 03:45, piXan wrote:
only more predictable
Good thing trance tunes are not predictable...I mean its not like every tune has a 16th bassline and has lots of dBlue glitch audio parts, inserted on the master chain, now is it? Random glitches are pretty unpredictable, I mean an algorithm generating random audio parts shows real skillz! and kbbb patterns with the same 24dB/8ve saw bassline are a revolution! The fact that techno producers never thought of that shit before is testament to how forward thinking some music critics that listen to nothing but trance, are.
Agree!
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 16:27
All this tech hate is such an elitist thing. You can't take it any further than "it's not my cup of tea" without sounding like a complete idiot. Some people like it, you don't, end of story. It just comes from this whole need to be more psychedelic, more spiritual, and more underground than anyone else, and no one cares that all those terms are relative or subjective and generally just don't matter.
Too many people are making music for non-musical reasons, and too many people are listening to it for non-musical reasons. You don't have to pick a side like this is some kind of competition.
You'll find good and bad sides to anything if you actually listen, and if you haven't listened to any music at all you have no right to judge it. If you're into melodic music and I have you listen to Cosmo and call it psytrance, it would be natural to stay away from psy, but it's my fault for not introducing you to Zen Mechanics. I can guarantee that there are elements of psytrance that you like that are also present in plenty of techno.
Don't be interested in genre. Be interested in that weird, evolving, buzzing sound or fat, dynamic basslines. You can find them in music of all genres if that's what you like and what you're looking for.
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Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me?
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 17:26
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On 2009-01-27 14:19, pipe&slippers wrote:
There is no techno tune that has the drive and psychedelic aggressiveness that some trance tunes have, just like there is not trance tune that has the deep vibe and intricate, complex groove that some techno tunes have
Have you ever heard of tech-trance? Some people were doing it for agessss
www.soundcloud.com/float
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 17:52
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On 2009-01-27 02:54:45, jorge wrote:
hi there , im now more into minimal tech and tech house stuff.
the strucutres of percusion are a little bit different from trance figures isnt it?
any tips?
thankkk you
Yes, rhythmics and percussions are actually a lot different from those used in psytrance tracks. Here are my tips, this is basically some things that i do when i make music you mentioned:
- You need to have a lot of quality drum loops (if possible, lower bmp's like 125-130)
I recommend sample packs from Mutekki Media, awesome quality.
- You need to have a lot of patience for cutting those loops into small repetitive sequences, or if you like you can use some slicing tools (like Disturbance or Slicer in FL studio which is pretty useful)
- When you start a track, first make the basic elements:
* kick - short and punchy with a slight subbass on it
* bass - is probably the most creative part of production cause it can be made out of almost everything.. from various VSTi's like Trilogy, Alien303, Nexus, Octopus and like 100s more of them, to simple sound samples like percussions or drums (i put them on channel with plug-ins like renessaince bass or newb to give them that synthetic bass-boost). Thats the beauty of this music: freedom of creation, and NO MORE fullonish VB!
* rhythmics - the tricky part. the thing that makes every minimal tech tune unique are loops. some people get this kind of music as predictable and boring, repetitive and 'already heard'.. from my point of view, the process of making a tune is something really special, searching for the matching loops, sounds and possible combinations. techno is all in rhythm - you need to make it sound like a machine which is for people to get in and figure out how it works. some tips:
-avoid same patters in whole track (like some sounds playing from beginning to end)
-make a lot of changes. small brakes will help you achieve this. always try to keep the attention of listeners with putting new sounds while the track goes by. the point is to make track interesting for listening.. and dancing to also!
Synth-works are inescapable. Dry kick-bass&rhythm will make your track sound empty and soulless. Make a lead or melody which has its own rhythm.. This will add a lot on dynamics.
Atmospheres are also very important. Uplifters and downlifters will add energy to your tracks, and pads will make it unique.
Hope this helps... All of this i wrote here is a piece of my creation process. Check this out also
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 18:20
there is shit hot techno out there, just as there is a shit hot tiesto track, and the likes of zybex.... all music iz predictable unless your name iz Aphex Twinn
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 18:21
most tracks are predictable, if techno or trance. good music doesn't care much about classifications imo.
for rythmic tech-stuff i like predator with diffrent waveforms, noise, fm. crazy filter modulation/envelope and a nice rythmic arp pattern. tweak, automate, retrigger, sample...
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 18:24
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On 2009-01-27 02:54:45, jorge wrote:
hi there , im now more into minimal tech and tech house stuff.
the strucutres of percusion are a little bit different from trance figures isnt it?
any tips?]]
anyways someone answer his qestion,,, my advice iz listen and compare
thankkk you
