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aciduss
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Posted : Sep 28, 2009 18:59
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I wanted to share ideas not to get a formula.
I believe build ups and bassdrops (or fakeones) are very important part of psytrance... i really think it is a topic on which to share a lot of stuff, but maybe im wrong.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 28, 2009 19:11
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On 2009-09-28 18:59, aciduss wrote:
I wanted to share ideas not to get a formula.
I believe build ups and bassdrops (or fakeones) are very important part of psytrance... i really think it is a topic on which to share a lot of stuff, but maybe im wrong.
Thanks to the ones who did reply to share ideas
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maybe you shouldnt misunderstand so much then... the biggest factor for confusion is that there is stability in first place, well at least a context otherwise its just weird.
you can confuse with different offbeats, with speeding up or down things. like you said with Explosions and much more things.
You have to create a illusion of safety for example then you can really surprise and confuse..
Buildups, breakdowns and bassdrops, yeah it sounds like the ordinary stuff.. i really dont get any concrete from you, maybe you should try and explain your self better?
im sure you know that there are million ways of doing things.. but to understand the foundation of scaring or surprising people you need to discuss certain methods..
i was trying to get an example, maybe you have some good example of confusion or surprising music?
I think its a nice topic really! maybe you want to elaborate a little more?
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gutter
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Posted : Sep 29, 2009 09:25
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On 2009-09-28 18:59, aciduss wrote:
I wanted to share ideas not to get a formula.
I believe build ups and bassdrops (or fakeones) are very important part of psytrance... i really think it is a topic on which to share a lot of stuff, but maybe im wrong.
Thanks to the ones who did reply to share ideas
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you did not understood my point
my point is that you among with lots and me , have ideas and instead of making them immediately with every possible way and the tools we have and then find some technique, weird, new etc etc and above all "master" that technique, ask other if they have any idea? you have the idea, make it true thats my point
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aciduss
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Posted : Sep 29, 2009 17:51
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Bro believe me, i am making true my own ideas, the point of this thread was to share, but i believe it seems a little hard to understand for you all, i don't want you to teach me how to do particular stuff i wanted to share experience, thoughts and ideas but lately that seems like a lot to ask in a psytrance forum.
Freeflow asks me to explain myself better but i don't know what else to say besides "throw away interesting ideas to tease/surprise people"... what i get is the name of process vsts and a couple of comments on how should i think... but hey... How do YOU think?
I believe people around here is very used to the question-aswer kind of topic, no need to share anything else or to really get into abstract thinking / writing about stuff you love to do, i could write a fucking book, but again, it is not about MY ideas.
It is ok, i don't expect to get any more, and i really love the forum anyway, but i do believe stuff like this can be discussed in a much more deep and rich way, but hey if i really have to explain that much to you then i guess either i am wrong or you do not have a remote clue about what i was looking forward with this thread.
Peace and keep on the beat. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 29, 2009 22:14
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plants'n'clouds
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Posted : Sep 30, 2009 12:23
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very interesting links! |
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5meohd
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 20:29
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hmm.. I like where this thread is going... I read in a recent computer music issue where this old dude talked about how boring most idm tracks/ dj sets are because of the assumption that everything has to be in the same bpm/time signature etc...
well this is really untrue for the original 'psychedelic music' the old 60's 70's psy rock.. stuff like gong, steve hillage etc... so why in our extreme mind bending genre of psytrance do we not change time sigs and bpm's???
I haven't experimented with it much my self.. as I am still just learning basic sythesis and such.. but if you are pretty comfortable in just building complete tracks then maybe try it??
I know if I were on the dance floor and I was hearing rolling basslines at 150 in 4/4 and then all the sudden you threw some creepy atmosphere and percussion at 11/8 at like 84 I would be suprised as fuck!! probably not the same sensation you speak of though |
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CloneBuddhaBlown
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Posted : Oct 5, 2009 10:54
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Hey, I read a topic sometime back in which someone had clearly talked about breaks and where and how they suit the mix best. It was sometime back that I read it and cant remember it. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Oct 5, 2009 20:14
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A very cool but seldom used effect is speedups or slowdowns combined with polyrhythm or half/doubletime.
A simple example: Starting in 145 BPM with a 16th-note bassline, sloooow down to 85 BPM. At the same time start to bring in a second kick drum on the 8th notes (lower velocity, with the lows cut out or something like that). once you've made it down to 85 BPM, bring that kick up until it's equal with the other kick, then a little bit later double the speed of the bassline. Now you're at 170 BPM!
You can do the same kind of effect with 3/4 time and triplets. For example: starting at 155 BPM in 4/4 time with an 8th note bassline (not sure how well it would work with 16th), switch to 3/4 time and start speeding up to 195 BPM. Once you reach 195, add a second kick drum on every third bassline note: now you have 130 BPM with triplets. (if you're having trouble figuring out what this sounds like, Shpongle's "Divine Moments Of Truth" does it backwards, without the tempo change). |
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