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TC Konnekt - a cheap soundcard with the same DAC as RME ?
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Medea
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 18:55:01
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 19:18
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it don t work like this, these converters chip are also used in pro d/a and sound interface that cost 3 times that price and you can probably find them in very cheap soundcard too , does it make all of them sound the same? no way,i think the quality of the compenents used like op amps and other stuff in the analog stage(i dont know much about all this ) make more difference that the converter chip used + i think the clock ,for example rme have bad clock in my opinion cause every times i used there interface in slave the sound was better than in master.(it sound even more cold and digital in master,that rme sound at first i thought it was neutral sound,neutral is not that,a instrument you record should not sound sterile and digital ,that not neutral but bad color )
but you may except same quality as rme or even better in cheaper interface but only way to know is to try them and a/b |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 19:50
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converter chip is just one part of the story and i guess the price of the soundcard don t always reflect sound quality .
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Medea
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 19:59
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On 2011-01-08 19:50, PoM wrote:
converter chip is just one part of the story and i guess the price of the soundcard don t always reflect sound quality .
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Well, i always thought the DAC is the main part that is responsible for sound quality of the card. Perhaps i was wrong.
"The price of the soundcard don t always reflect sound quality" - of course, but RME are well known for the sound quality afaik...
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Thinking to change my Juli@ for something radically better sounding...
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 20:03
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if pom is right with rme having a bad clock, the tc could sound better. interesting angle to look at soundcards when you need a new one. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 20:10
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with rme you have good drivers and good midi timing ,for the sound i think some interface costing less might just sound as good .i have a echo audiofire i use for portable use and a rme soundcard, i never tried the echo converters in my studio but i might give it a try and a/b, i would not be surpised the echo sound in same league as rme (maybe not..) but fuck i dont have any jack to xlr cables to try |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 20:24
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On 2011-01-08 20:03, vipal wrote:
if pom is right with rme having a bad clock, the tc could sound better. interesting angle to look at soundcards when you need a new one.
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have no idea, it could sound better or worst... but for sure in this price range some interface might sound better than others and some might sound so close than the most expensive ones may not worht it when talking just about soundquality .
also the good drivers good midi and the sound is more than ok make the rme worht it, my echo dont have as good dirvers and i dont even want to try the midi..but in term of sound it should be close maybe a bit better, maybe a bit worst.. |
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monno
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Posted : Jan 12, 2011 05:21
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As to the RME having a bad clock well i suppose i would need to see detailed data logs of clock jitter before i would even venture a guess at that (I could perhaps measure it with my scope provided it can measure small signal jitter). I have both RME and the mentioned Konnekt-6. They don´t sound the same using seemingly similar chips (circuits are a always the sum of all components in the path) The top end in the konnekt is somewhat more silky compared to my multiface. To most people it would be fairly subtle, which it truly is, but i do not recognize the sterile bit appended to RME because to me it´s all about the source first, getting the sound right, then recording. I´d say converters in general have the least influence on the sound (the operator being the biggest influence) Having access to both RME & TC converters i can mix and match and decide which one is the most suitable for whatever project i have at hand, but the difference is marginal when all is said and done
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:37
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that says a lot monno. |
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monno
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 14:15
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In light of recent developments @ TC headquarters I will refrain from endorsing their current available hardware. They just dropped development of the entire powercore line, but will continue to sell cards and plugins. How´s that for screwing loyal customers over? With that in mind production,support or development may cease at any moment on any TC product the marketing department deems unfit for cash cow utilization. At least my RME hardware still works like the day it was assembled and their development platform is so much more flexible and future proof than TC´s ever was.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 16:59
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yes agree ,personally i avoid tc products ,don t like much this compagnie but some of their products are great. |
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 17:07
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agreed. was pissed last night when i read that they simply drop the powercore line. looking fwd to the try-before buy versions of their native plugs that might follow. fuckers. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 12:04
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Why fuckers?
Maybe it didn't bring them enough income.
If this is the case, I'd drop it too.
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monno
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 13:21
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Right now everybody at TC are caught up in the PR departments claws i assume. No good reason other than a long term strategic review. Once it calms down i will have to write the product manager and ask him what the actual reason is (money naturally)
but i would like to know regardless as i feel a litle butt raped by the company and me and the product manager go back a while which kinda makes this personal. The whole Powercore concept was not exactly driven by great ideas in the end, and if they had only gotten their act together and copied the UAD concept we would not have them cut that platform away. Danish mentality at work here: keep it mediocre and you will succeed. I still like their hardware a lot, at least that stuff does not need constant development to stay compatible
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 22, 2011 03:16
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On 2011-01-21 12:04, Mike A wrote:
Why fuckers?
Maybe it didn't bring them enough income.
If this is the case, I'd drop it too.
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i think its unfair to sell something like the powercore and leave then the buyers in a few years with something that is useless or brings complications to use it. its not a cheap box. from the reputation and the looks of the company i did not expect that.
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