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Tb-303 lines, how to?

Djones
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 14:11

I'm struggling big time getting some groove or whatsoever out of Audiorealism Bassline 2.

There's just something I just don't understand I guess, but whatever I try I just don't manage to get anything rolling.

Just any, any midi example would do show how to get something done.
When I'm sliding notes, what happens is that I don't hear the sound transposing, but the first note just eats the second note, and when I'm trying to slide 2 or 3 notes after each other, the sound dies out!

Any tips?

PoM
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 14:44

use the sequencer plugin with accent and slide

subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 02:04

Quote:

On 2007-07-24 14:11, Djones wrote:
I'm struggling big time getting some groove or whatsoever out of Audiorealism Bassline 2.

There's just something I just don't understand I guess, but whatever I try I just don't manage to get anything rolling.

Just any, any midi example would do show how to get something done.
When I'm sliding notes, what happens is that I don't hear the sound transposing, but the first note just eats the second note, and when I'm trying to slide 2 or 3 notes after each other, the sound dies out!

Any tips?

original 303 can't slide several notes after each other.. thats normal.

a typical 303 bassline is just a couple of 16ths maybe 2 per bar have an accent or a slide on it.

f.i.
C C C F C C C C C C F C C C C C
A__S______A_____S

Where this is 1 bar, A=Accent, S=Slide

A slide always has to be followed by a note with different pitch otherwise its just an 8ths.

Just use the internal Squenzer of the Audiorealism and program a bassline as above..
You can use your normal sequenzer and midi, but for the typical 303 sound you have to use an exact notelength which is outside the grid. its not a 16.th, but its also no multiple of 1/128, so most sequenzers can't draw the typical 303 notelength.. except if you use the midilist editor and enter the length manualy.. or record the line from an original with MidiOut extension... or as said use the internal sequenzer of the Audiorealism. easiest.

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dija
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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 09:16

I think the phosycon(spelling?) sounds much better.

Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 16:49

I use both Phoscyon now and ABL2; they've both got advantages and disadvantages. You can emulate a 303 slide using MIDI control in these plugins by overlapping notes 1/128th apart, in a glissando style... we used to do this back when we had a real 303 with CV and Gate inputs and it's very effective.

subconsciousmind - how long is a real 303 note?

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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 02:10

I use the abl pro for that and i think it sounds fucking nice!
But more screaming is the freeware plugin modular synth karmafx, these filters are really accurate imho

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Djones
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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 13:43

karmaFX is nice as well.
But it got some annoying bug as it doesn't stop playing when take your hands of the keyboard.

And how do I get that growling Oomp Oomp stab out of ABL2?
Is it like a sort of fast filter automation?

subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 03:07

Hi,

for those who don't know it yet:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/scm/html/workshops/303vs303.php
the comparison of ABL2 with Original.

Colin, I will check tomorrow and let you know.

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psycox
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 03:41

hereyou find some information about the real 303 behavior.
http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/303-slide.html

Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 04:41

Quote:

On 2007-07-28 03:07, subconsciousmind wrote:
Colin, I will check tomorrow and let you know.

No worries, it's on psycox's link:

Quote:

Lets say you have 16 1/16 th notes programmed. Each note occupies
six clock pulses - lets call them pulses 0 to 5.

The gate goes high at the start of clock pulse 0 - the positive edge.

The gate goes low half-way through clock pulse 3 - on its negative
edge.

That is for a normal, 1/16 note. So there are 3.5 clock pulses on
and 2.5 off

Length of 303 16th notes is 7/12 of a full 16th note.

Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 05:27

Quote:

On 2007-07-28 04:41, Colin OOOD wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-07-28 03:07, subconsciousmind wrote:
Colin, I will check tomorrow and let you know.

No worries, it's on psycox's link:
Quote:

Lets say you have 16 1/16 th notes programmed. Each note occupies
six clock pulses - lets call them pulses 0 to 5.

The gate goes high at the start of clock pulse 0 - the positive edge.

The gate goes low half-way through clock pulse 3 - on its negative
edge.

That is for a normal, 1/16 note. So there are 3.5 clock pulses on
and 2.5 off

Length of 303 16th notes is 7/12 of a full 16th note.

ie. 70 ticks in Cubase SX

RenderingRebel
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Posted : Jul 29, 2007 06:27

What i also often do to make my tbee lines a bit less "static" is apply a very little pit of phasing to make a constant modulation
In stereo makes it even more fat also

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shamantrixx

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Posted : Jul 29, 2007 17:06

Quote:

On 2007-07-24 14:11, Djones wrote:

When I'm sliding notes, what happens is that I don't hear the sound transposing, but the first note just eats the second note, and when I'm trying to slide 2 or 3 notes after each other, the sound dies out!

Any tips?

increase decay and sustain values?

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 29, 2007 17:48

Quote:

On 2007-07-29 17:06, shamantrixx wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-07-24 14:11, Djones wrote:

When I'm sliding notes, what happens is that I don't hear the sound transposing, but the first note just eats the second note, and when I'm trying to slide 2 or 3 notes after each other, the sound dies out!

Any tips?

increase decay and sustain values?

ABL2 simulates an unmodified TB303, which has a fixed sustain of zero. I think Phoscyon has extra control in this area.

Djones
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Posted : Jul 29, 2007 23:36

Hey how about the 303 bows?
Like this one:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/sxhpsz

How do you do it with Abl2?

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