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gattomatto
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 09:45
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Hey everyone. I can't use the VB1 so I decided to pick up the tau. I bought the tau bassline 2 but now that I've got it I'm totally unimpressed, I get much better results from the original freeware tau bassline. So, now I've actually gotten closer to finding one or two sounds from it (through lots of gating and EQ) that I might be able to almost stomach, but there is this weird "thing" happening that I can't explain. The sharpness of the notes, when the instrument is triggered, comes and goes in a sort of wave. Like, imagine I were to set a gate and put the attack at a higher value for only a few notes of a pattern. So you would hear the instrument "hit" like it were a piano mallet striking the string most of the notes but the other you would not hear the hit, only the sound after it. I've made a couple clips of this:
http://wageslavery.org/musicprod/tau%20bass%201.mp3
http://wageslavery.org/musicprod/tau%20bass%202.mp3
The first one is normal, the second one I've actually set the attack on the gate to be quite high as you can hear that it starts to sound really odd at the far end of the sound wave. The notes are just not consistent and I'm wondering if it's just a casualty of tau. If so I really can't live with that and I'll have to move on to plan D, continue my exploration of the more complex synths such as Crystal, Vanguard, etc.
Also I've been reading about basslines and especially the tau for the last several days. Literally doing nothing but reading about this stuff... A few folks have asked about some real life examples of the tau being used in distributed tracks and several folks mentioning that it has in fact been used many times but nobody seems to have actually given any real examples. Does anyone know?? Or does anyone have a clip of something they've done with tau that they feel is a nice fat bass? I'd like to know what people have done with this in real life, I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time with this thing and if I'll ever get the right sound out of it that I want. I know that you can use any synth for bass, I'm starting to get a handle on that, but you can't can just any sound in the world from that synth, you're going to get something only that it's capable of making and maybe that's not the sound I'm after...
Thanks for your consideration!
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Meta
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 10:09
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Pretty much any Eskimo track uses the Tau as the bassline. I met him a few years ago and at that time he preferred that freeware version you're talking about.
The 'right' sound is pretty relative, and as the bassline thread will tell you most people augment any bassline VST with various EQs/compressors/warmers etc. Personally I don't like the Tau, it sounds a little too video-gamey for my taste. But that's just me. http://soundcloud.com/aeon604
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4damind
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 12:36
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Mmh, most pros use nord lead, virus or other (real analog) hardware stuff for there basslines. TauPro is a very nice plugin, but you must tweak them alot with EQ and Compressor that he listen "fat" for basslines. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 13:53
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On 2005-06-02 12:36, 4damind wrote:
Mmh, most pros use nord lead, virus or other (real analog) hardware stuff for there basslines.
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I don't think so. Lot of software is used for the basses.
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TauPro is a very nice plugin, but you must tweak them alot with EQ and Compressor that he listen "fat" for basslines.
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Yes, most (all) synth need at least some eqing.
Peace 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 14:40
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This is something that happens with all basic synths, analog, digital and VA alike, and is due to free-running oscillators. Basically, the oscillators are always oscillating, even when no note is being played. This means that when a note is triggered we hear the waveform start from whichever position it happens to be at at the time. If the oscillator waveform is at the top of its travel the note will come in with a nice sharp hard 'bite'; if it's at zero when the note is triggered the rise-time of the waveform is added to the attack of the note, giving a 'softer' attack. This is much more noticable with bass notes as the waveform is much slower at low pitches.
The solution is either to record a section of the riff, edit out a note you like the sound of for each pitch you use, and build a multisample in eg. Kontakt or Halion, or use a synth which can sync the oscillator waveform to key triggers. Z3ta+, Pentagon and Vanguard are three examples of synths that can do this.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 14:56
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nice explanation Colin ....  |
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gattomatto
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 21:33
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Yah, that sounds reasonable... Thanx. |
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dj_andrei_nicolai
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Posted : Jun 3, 2005 01:19
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On 2005-06-02 14:56, WAVELOGIX wrote:
nice explanation Colin ....
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Agreed! |
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icedice
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Posted : Jun 3, 2005 11:33
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Wow, nice bassline
By the way, does anybody know if the freeware tau can be downloadet somewhere?
Gracies...
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 3, 2005 15:24
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icedice
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 13:55
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Hey I have been trying hard to make a simular bass sound for some time, could you please share a little info about what EQ, Comp and so on that you have used to produce this line?
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slyman604
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 17:19
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i really cant believe this is from a free running oscilator.
I just dont think a single cycle of the wave would last that long to create that effect. It does sound exactly like the filter env attack is being modulated...weird.
you should write the tau creators, that just doesnt make sense. |
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Fugga
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 17:21
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junya use two tau's at once, and with no comp, and only 1 eq on one tau. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:25
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i had the same problem with the synth bass lines. most of the synths have problems with oscilators and LFO sync. Hardware synths are having even biger problems if playing multitimbral parts and you need to record them to your sampler in order 2 avoid this problem.
so after a while i stop wasting my time with synths, i've found some HQ samples waveforms from hardware synths like virus, nord lead, juno etc and tweak them with reason NN-XT sampler. It has a great tools and very precise LFO with key sync, LFO delay etc. Unlike the other samplers NN-XT has "alternation". This function allows you to make a patch with multiple layers that are slightly different in ADSR settings (or any other settings) and with polyphony set to 1 sampler triggers another layer for each note. This can give a feeling of live played bass line 'cause each note is played slightly different.
Of course... after that rewire 2 cubase, aply some R-bass to pump the attack frequency and add harmonics and you'll never have problems with your bass line again 
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MoDu
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 03:22
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On 2005-06-02 14:40, Colin OOOD wrote:
This is something that happens with all basic synths, analog, digital and VA alike, and is due to free-running oscillators. Basically, the oscillators are always oscillating, even when no note is being played. This means that when a note is triggered we hear the waveform start from whichever position it happens to be at at the time. If the oscillator waveform is at the top of its travel the note will come in with a nice sharp hard 'bite'; if it's at zero when the note is triggered the rise-time of the waveform is added to the attack of the note, giving a 'softer' attack. This is much more noticable with bass notes as the waveform is much slower at low pitches
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What nonsense is this?
Are you saying that an oscilator playing something like a sine wave is only listenable when the wave is coming down? Do you have any respect for the music theory of for that matter physics??
This is obviously a hardware/software issue, not a wave going up(funny how a 50 h/z wave takes almost a second to go up).
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