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Posted : Mar 25, 2015 23:13:11
Do any of you use any tep emulation or saturation plug ins in psytrance production? if so, why?
Or do you think it goes against clarirty and the hi fi sound typical of psytrance?
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Posted : Mar 25, 2015 23:29
I don't like tape, takes too much (at least Nebula ones), add's nothing I would need, but saturation on almost everything, I'm speaking here in general, but this applies to trance too.
Why, just sounds better to my ears, I was most pleased with Klanghelm SDRR, but YMMV.
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Posted : Mar 26, 2015 11:48
I use UAD Tape emu´s day in day out..
depends on what and how you use it IMHO.
If you mix into tape you´ll craft it so that nothing is taken and if you pull back bias of the tape it gets cleaner so I reckon its more about technique.
That said, if used right, a Tape on the 2 Bus can make fucking wonders for getting an overall coherence and sheen into your mix if you ask me!
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel "I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons
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Posted : Mar 26, 2015 13:24
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On 2015-03-26 11:48, klippel wrote:
if used right
Yeah, guess that's the main thing, it was the time of tape hype and i just wanted to see what the big deal is and what I heard didn't impressed me enough to work with it, so my opinion isn't relevant that much
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Posted : Mar 30, 2015 15:51
this isn't the case where you either stick it on the master bus or don't use it at all.
since most of us produce and record stuff into the computer, with a very good signal path throughout, we can feel that our mix is to perfect or sterile and then this are the tools to look out to to sort of inject some life into the equation.
tape, like other stuff, works like some sort of blur. but a pleasant to the ears kind of blur. it helps blend sounds together, it tames the transients - many times more effectively then compression does. that can either be the thing that's needed or the poison that would ruin everything.
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Posted : Mar 30, 2015 16:13
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On 2015-03-30 15:51, frisbeehead wrote:
this isn't the case where you either stick it on the master bus or don't use it at all.
Is there opposed case for anything like that really?
So few things actually works on entire mix properly and even than it's just case of using them subtly without over doing it or mixing into them/having them all along there as benchmark for everything/set everything else according to them.
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Posted : Mar 30, 2015 17:27
yes, this things react differently depending on the levels you feed into them. if you're aware of what it's doing to the material and wish to imprint an overall tape feel to a mix, then that's the way to go and there's no problems doing so.
you can count on the tape plug-in to soften the transients peaking higher. that's the low end, imo. and it sort of makes sense to add higher harmonics to the low end, so that it translates better on consumer grade speakers and head phones. so in some ways, it's good. but if you want extra sharp transients, then it would be better to use it in parallel instead.
you know, just feeding a kick or snare into one of these things and varying the input levels has a dramatic effect on how much coloration you're introducing. if you were to apply some blur filter on an image in photoshop, then you'd have to push the contrast, levels and maybe even the sharp filter to compensate. so in a way, you're compensating for some processing. some times it's pushing the sound the way you want, sometimes you'll be fighting against it - and most engineers have had to do just that back in the days when this wasn't some analogue warmth injection plug-in, but the only medium at hand. those were the days were a perfectly transparent medium with tons of headroom were the dream.
even though it's possible to use this to achieve that kind of sound from the past throughout, 'cause that's what tape was after all; since we have this in the form of a plug-in, we can use it on some sound and not the others, we can push it to extremes on a double and blend in with the original, we can do all these sort of stuff, just like with any other processing. the difference here is in the amount of control. but hey, whatever works and sounds good
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Posted : Mar 30, 2015 19:10
So there are cases when one just slap something on master and if that works he use it, if not don't?
That was my question, judging something only after slapping it on master...
To clarify this, if you were by any chance trying to imply that I tested it like that, than, no, I didn't, had all the time in the world to use it freely and make my own mind do I need it based on my personal needs and preference and i said I wasn't relevant because I could actually try to make it work, but I didn't see big deal about it or myself going that route of making it work just because people on internet find it usable, I had tapes in my plugin folder all the time till recently, because for rare cases I need it, which never happened btw, so that's that.
I don't personally find tape or that workflow usable for my own thing, don't need it or see benefits for it, do majority of that/what I need with different plugins that I find more appropriate for the job, YMMV of course.
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this wasn't some analogue warmth injection plug-in
Doh, they actually worked on the stuff we are emulating today for that purpose...
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Posted : Mar 31, 2015 13:49
I suggest that you take a Waveform Visualizer
and have a look what those saturator's actually do.
That will reveal even things you don't hear that easy.
The nice thing about it is that you can sync it to a note value. For example if you play c2 the waveform view will stay fixed without scrolling etc. Very useful imo
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Posted : Mar 31, 2015 22:32
@Xsze
nope, wasn't trying to imply anything. just sharing some thoughts on this, as usual cheers
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you were asking if it can be used on the master bus, right? I believe it's possible to do it and get away with very nice sounding results. so I wouldn't vote against it. i just personally like having more control over each part and then the stems, rather then placing a general processing unit in there. 'cause from that moment on, you know it will change how you do your EQ and everything else. you make the entire mix depend on it. it's obviously not wrong though. I mean, this used to be the end medium some time ago.
picking up on the photoshop metaphor again. it's one thing for you to, say, apply a slight blur to the background of a picture so as to give the idea of distance or something. it's quite another to use it on all layers on the whole thing.
if one's to do it like that, I'd pay special attention to the levels you feed into the final tape plug-in. works like the drive knob on some other saturation plug-ins. would also make some tests, like said above, oscilloscope and spectrum analysis to see what your plug-in does to the material, how the effect changes depending on levels and other parameters. it's sort of mandatory if you're to trust something to color your entire mix.
also, would like to listen to some mixes by peeps here who've done it this way if possible. Cheerios
and yes the input level and bias you dial in on the tape makes the whole difference.
on the 2 bus i´d always go for medium bias but low input/output levels (not hitting red by any means).. that way you get quite some colour/sheen but not so much distortion and mud..
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Posted : Apr 8, 2015 15:06
Tritone - Colour tone
no questions asked.. why use it? try it A/B it
@Login - much easier to get a hold of than buying a UAD card
Adds to clarity does not go against it
nice track though kippel , mystical x rainbow love x
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