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Posted : Jul 31, 2011 22:12
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well i have had some of my stuff mastered by some of trance's leading mastering people, and i have reservations about all of them... how do you know who to trust, after all, you are paying loads of cash.
if it doesn't sound WAY better than what i can do by myself there is no value here imo.
yeah mate i hear you , happened a home made rough master made in 5 minutes sounded better than a "pro" with lot of va and albums behind.. i disucessed with some artists and it also happen some mastering make tracks sounding worst in this scene lol.
but sometimes ppl are expecting too much from mastering when it s the mix that really matter the most imo,the best is the mix the less it will change at mastering usually , one of the key is communication between the engeinner and the artists/labels when possible
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Posted : Jul 31, 2011 22:47
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but sometimes ppl are expecting too much from mastering when it s the mix that really matter the most imo,the best is the mix the less it will change at mastering usually , one of the key is communication between the engeinner and the artists/labels when possible
yah man you hit the point on what i am thinking exactly. this is the whole thought behind my reasoning for taking it to a studio to mix.
i don't know if i can afford better monitors at this point. the room will get treated in the next week, so this will help for sure.
i agree with you on the communication is key point, you need to know that not only the person you are giving the job to has the right ears, expertise and tools but also that he understands how YOU want it to sound. especially true if you are going for your own vision of sonic texture.
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Posted : Jul 31, 2011 22:51
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On 2011-07-31 22:47, faxinadu wrote:
i agree with you on the communication is key point, you need to know that not only the person you are giving the job to has the right ears, expertise and tools but also that he understands how YOU want it to sound. especially true if you are going for your own vision of sonic texture.
+51 that so true , try some free mastering demos and see imo and it will give you serious feedback on the mix, if you not happy go back working on the mix and get the closest to the sound you want
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Posted : Jul 31, 2011 23:56
as the saying goes, 'you can't polish a turd'. If the mix isn't right, a mastering engineer won't be able to do much to make it sound any better.
We are in the process of treating one of the rooms in our flat, to create a proper mixing space. This is really the way to go. If you're willing to put the time into it, you can treat your room for about a third of the price you would spend on buying ready made material from a company like realtraps.com, etc.
So far, we have 25 panels made, and are about half way through the hanging stage. We've hung six cloud panels from the ceiling, and also managed the corners. Now it's just a matter of hanging the rest of the panels. Not much more difficult than hanging pictures.
We've managed the entire project for around $700, give or take a few $$. I imagine this would be around the realm of possible expense for hiring someone else to mix your work..... maybe a bit more.
I guess it depends on if you have the space for it, and if you want to invest the time it takes to get it done right.
Maybe another question would be if one of the reasons you want to hire a mixing engineer, is to get a fresh ear to listen to your work, and add a new perspective to it.
Back in the day, bands would go to the studio and record tracks with the tracking engineer, and then a mixing engineer would create a mix. That would then get sent to the mastering engineer........ That process is not always relevant today.
EDIT: I would say though. Even if you can handle all the mixing yourself, I'd allways find someone else to put the mastering job on your work. At that point, a fresh ear is always a good thing.
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 08:42
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On 2011-07-31 23:56, Icaro wrote:
as the saying goes, 'you can't polish a turd'
Sure about that?
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faxi, drop me a pm or contact me via msn extreme
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 02:10
Faxinadu .. There somthing i cant get/Understand .. So maybe you will
help us know by telling us the all story from begining , So may we see the all picture .
Why you cant mix your music by yourself , With/In your own studio ? (This is part of the all fun ..) Do you think in "Pro" Studio or "Pro MixMan" Will do the work better then you ? (And why do you think that ?) , And why you dont have an confidence and trust with yourself ? . My advice for you (Still dont know your real problem/Reason/Story) Work (You) On your music , No one (On this planet) have the right touch (+ Right feeling) for it but you , And i say so because this is the truth and the right thing to do - And i never heard your music , Yet , So i dont realy know now what you realy need - Maybe you can put here , Or in the 'Workshop' section some demo's for example so we can listen and be more involved , Then i could write you more .
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 10:59
The thing with releasin music is that you will always learn. There are a million things that we have fixed in the live vesrions of the first two album tracks and they sound 10x better today. Don't stress it and most importantly don't wait till you've made the "perfect track", there is no such thing.
Make music, release it if you will, but the better you get with time, the more you will realise there are much more things to learn.
I keep teaching my self new things with almost every studio session.
This is an integral part of the process of production. Don't let anything to anyone else to do for you (as you will get dissapointed at some point), rather learn how to do it your self.
The last remix we did for Etnica was a proper revelation to me that made me hungry for more future tracks using the new stuff I picked up.
And this is the beauty of production, for me.
The more tunes I make, the more hungry I am to make music I have not made yet.
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 11:09
Guys, he's not looking for someone to mix his tracks for him - just looking to 'rent' some acoustically treated space, no?
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 13:12
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On 2011-08-02 11:09, diskonekt wrote:
Guys, he's not looking for someone to mix his tracks for him - just looking to 'rent' some acoustically treated space, no?
yah pretty much it.
but thinking more and more about it, i will just do it here as best i can.
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 19:56
@ faxinadu - not sure if this is of interest to you or not. This is the design we followed for building our panels. Following this tutorial, and using HD materials for whatever rockwool type product you use, gives a good result. The extra space this design adds between the wall and the rockwool, allows the effectiveness to drop down into the lower Hz range. We just finished everything, and the difference is remarkable.
This is probably one of the most simples designs to make that I've seen, and if you do it yourself, you can achieve great results for a fraction of what it would cost you otherwise.
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Posted : Aug 3, 2011 16:57
yes this tutorial is great !
depending your room you might need to absorb some freqeuncies range more/less than the others to get a flater response.
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Posted : Aug 3, 2011 23:32
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On 2011-08-03 16:57, PoM wrote:
yes this tutorial is great !
depending your room you might need to absorb some freqeuncies range more/less than the others to get a flater response.
Do you have any links to add, that would give tips on figuring out when to use what, in terms of different frequency absorbtion? I'd be interested to read more about it. From what I've been able to gather from reading various sources while we were designing or layout, these 'bass traps' are really broad-band panels, handling a much larger range of frequencies than what some people attribute to 'bass-traps'.
Ethan Winer (realtraps.com) recomended just using as many panels as possible when treating a standard room, to get the best result. However, I'm also aware that every room is going to sound different, and may need to be treated accordingly.
Also, maybe when to use diffusion vs. absorbtion?
We have three more panels left that we're going to put in the back of the room, but are contemplating building diffusors as well.
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Posted : Aug 4, 2011 02:31
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On 2011-08-03 16:57, PoM wrote:
yes this tutorial is great !
depending your room you might need to absorb some freqeuncies range more/less than the others to get a flater response.
Do you have any links to add, that would give tips on figuring out when to use what, in terms of different frequency absorbtion? I'd be interested to read more about it. From what I've been able to gather from reading various sources while we were designing or layout, these 'bass traps' are really broad-band panels, handling a much larger range of frequencies than what some people attribute to 'bass-traps'.
Ethan Winer (realtraps.com) recomended just using as many panels as possible when treating a standard room, to get the best result. However, I'm also aware that every room is going to sound different, and may need to be treated accordingly.
Also, maybe when to use diffusion vs. absorbtion?
We have three more panels left that we're going to put in the back of the room, but are contemplating building diffusors as well.
haven t any link in mind ,here my room was too dead sounding cause of too much broadband,i put a fabric that is more reflective on some broadband absorbers , maybe not the best soltuion but now it s more balanced for my taste,it sound more linear to me, if you want less absorbtion in the highs it works but i should have cheked for diffusor.
if you find some good stuff on the net would be nice if you can post them
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