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Synth differences from Vst (creating FX, alien sounds on synth)
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Jul 4, 2013 05:45:59
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Hey i got some doubts.
I want to buy a good analog synth to creat great sounding leads,303,fx for Goa Trance.
But i see that VST's like sylenth,albino, many others, got mod matrix, mod envelopes, stuff that help easly to creat great FX and 303 alien goa leads...
but how that works with a synth? i never had one, and i think that only with LFO,Filters i hardly could creat good FX and Acid leads that on vsts u have with pitch,cutoff envelopes,and all that stuff that VST's have...
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Jul 4, 2013 05:47
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 4, 2013 10:03
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Simple. Go modular.
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Djones
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Posted : Jul 4, 2013 16:19
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On 2013-07-04 10:03, OzMike wrote:
Simple. Go modular.
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What was that modular system you got again?
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knocz
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Posted : Jul 4, 2013 16:24
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Well, if your asking this question, probably you cant find you way around a VST or synth -> Know what every knob does and how they interact with each other, and how to twist the knows in order to get a specific sound (goa lead, harsh filtered noise, long beautiful or disturbing pads, perc, etc). I'd probably start from there.
For a long time now that software synths have become quite comparable and in some cases even better then their analog counterparts, however they are always different, just as two VSTis are different from each other. Digital filters are way more precise than analog filters; analog oscillators can place digital oscillators in a corner; you can find DSP chips in modern physical synths, being just a facade for a digital component. Nevertheless, it's really easy to build a million knobs into a VST than into a real synth, but there's nothing like having every single know a synth has to offer right in front of you for real for you to twist and turn
Both have their place and both are extremely capable of building FX and whatsoever (IMO, you just need filters, envelopes and effects, no LFO necessary, however with an LFO or 4 you can build it into bigger sonic pallets), but you need to understand about synthesis and synthesizers, no matter if digital or analog. And, once you've mastered the concepts, you'll see that you can pick up any synth (or VST) that someone puts in front of you and mangle with it. The fun is in getting in touch with the synth's character, and exploring new ways of making sounds.
Understanding how to use (every single darn parameter on) a synth/VST will bring your skills to the next level.
Now, regarding your question: you can do those sounds in a synth the same way you do in a VST (some exactly the same because they are clones). I ask you: do you own an use just a single VST? (if you do, congrats!!!) Maybe it would be better planning on multiple synths, of as OzMike said: go modular! just buy the components, and build them into your own synth, halpf analog and half digital (computer) - you cant ever go wrong!
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Jul 5, 2013 01:05
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On 2013-07-04 16:24, knocz wrote:
Well, if your asking this question, probably you cant find you way around a VST or synth -> Know what every knob does and how they interact with each other, and how to twist the knows in order to get a specific sound (goa lead, harsh filtered noise, long beautiful or disturbing pads, perc, etc). I'd probably start from there.
For a long time now that software synths have become quite comparable and in some cases even better then their analog counterparts, however they are always different, just as two VSTis are different from each other. Digital filters are way more precise than analog filters; analog oscillators can place digital oscillators in a corner; you can find DSP chips in modern physical synths, being just a facade for a digital component. Nevertheless, it's really easy to build a million knobs into a VST than into a real synth, but there's nothing like having every single know a synth has to offer right in front of you for real for you to twist and turn
Both have their place and both are extremely capable of building FX and whatsoever (IMO, you just need filters, envelopes and effects, no LFO necessary, however with an LFO or 4 you can build it into bigger sonic pallets), but you need to understand about synthesis and synthesizers, no matter if digital or analog. And, once you've mastered the concepts, you'll see that you can pick up any synth (or VST) that someone puts in front of you and mangle with it. The fun is in getting in touch with the synth's character, and exploring new ways of making sounds.
Understanding how to use (every single darn parameter on) a synth/VST will bring your skills to the next level.
Now, regarding your question: you can do those sounds in a synth the same way you do in a VST (some exactly the same because they are clones). I ask you: do you own an use just a single VST? (if you do, congrats!!!) Maybe it would be better planning on multiple synths, of as OzMike said: go modular! just buy the components, and build them into your own synth, halpf analog and half digital (computer) - you cant ever go wrong!
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in understand...
i tought analog synths couldn't be routed to cutoff cause i dont see that on photos...
i understand a little bit, i know how to change presets the way i want to creat the sound i want with the synth, what that knob and section will create...
i work with sylenth1 mostly, zebra2(confusing),albino3,vanguard,z3ta...
i know how to work with modmatrix, mod envelopes and all that stuff
its just i never worked with a synth, and i work alot with presets and change them a little, i have difficult to create some complex sounds....
im creating great fx from init presets in my last tracks, but i dont see mod matrix,modenvelope,and lfo assign in synths, i think i dont know nothing about it...
thanks
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knocz
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Posted : Jul 5, 2013 18:25
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On 2013-07-05 01:05, Ancient Alien wrote:
its just i never worked with a synth, and i work alot with presets and change them a little, i have difficult to create some complex sounds....
im creating great fx from init presets in my last tracks, but i dont see mod matrix,modenvelope,and lfo assign in synths, i think i dont know nothing about it...
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Please! Work on this! I'd recommend you start every single sound from the init preset (simple sine wave, with nothing else on) and building everything from scratch (saving your own presets along the way so you can recall them later on) on every single sound!
When I started building my kicks, bass, leads, fx and drums from scratch, I felt my music went up a few levels, both in sonic pallets and in automations, as I became capable of making sounds evolve and mutate into others in a musical way - evolution and interest!
After you get the touch of a VSTi and all it's parameters and how they interact, you can go through presets and analyze them to find out how they were made - and hopefully teaching you something and inspiring you to build something else!
Now, one huge difference between analog synths and VSTi's are in the interface: in a VST we can actually change the whole interface, making say a dynamic window that changes (you press the mod matrix, and voila it appears!); however in analog synths particularly without any type of screen, these options are hidden (press a couple of buttons navigating through a "hidden virtual menu" to get more specific options), but as you learn how to interact with the synth you become accustomed to it and very personal, being more in touch (a mouse pressing some pixels in a 2D screen isn't very personal.
If thew synth doesn't have some specific option, well you'll just have to live with it. Analog synths can do things that VST's can't, and VST's can do things that analog only dreams of! But remember that there is a huge market for simplified instruments (say, a VST with only 4 knobs), where being limited sometimes helps the creative process (imagine you could only paint in yellow, than to make something nice you'll have to be very creative! example: https://www.google.pt/search?safe=off&q=yellow+flowers+painting&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.ZGU&biw=1366&bih=679&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=U-TWUficK8iL7Abf74GQAw#um=1&safe=off&hl=en&tbm=isch&q=van%20gogh%20sunflowers%20original%20painting&revid=2080762161&ei=ZeTWUYDFEoaa1AX9jYGoDw&ved=0CA0QsyU&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.ZGU&fp=96ce94192c215371&biw=1366&bih=679 ).
But if you really wanna know what a certain synth does, than search for it's specifications, presets demos on youtube, and try to get your hands on one first Some synths can do more than you've ever imagined :::)
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 01:45
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thanks alot knocz, thats inspiring...
i will try to copy some presets, to see how a tipical 303 saw sound is made on Sylenth and in Vanguard and do from beginning...
anyway i spend 4,3,1 day to creat a whole track, soo i only change a bit and automate presets, and sounds really cool u can check my cloud below...
tnks
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