On 2009-09-29 19:05, bephree wrote:
Thank you everyone for their constructive (as well as the destructive) criticism. We have a 50 gallon drum where we are putting all of the suggestions and feedback and we will be dousing it with gasoline and setting it on fire just as soon as everyone's comments are in.
do realize most of us are just terribly sarcastic and have a nutty sense of humor. I personally like the lineup you threw together for the event and had I been in any way able to get there, I would have. I'm definately supportive of multi genre events especially ones with good intentionality and well developed activities (eg, workshops, lectures, good food, etc etc) so it sounds like you guys nailed it.
I hear the criticism about the psy stage being dinky and tucked in the back corner, but really, when does psy get mainstage and the best system at non psy festivals these days? we rocked a pair of quasi-3way cabinets at underground sound last year while posford played the mainstage, its just how it goes with the multigenre events, the orgs recognize that the psy scene has great energy and people and want to include it but also realize that the majority of their target crowd isnt into it, so compromises are made. I think the fact a sub caught on fire is pretty nuts, either those speakers had been put through the ringer or someone wasnt running the system right...... but I digress. sounds like it was an amazing shindig. Dont leave out the psytrancers because a few of us are spoiled on the all psy events and disagree about artist choices or whatever. you cant cater to everyone but I'm sure there were alot of people who also appreciated what psy was available and dug the progressive too..
ace ventura, sun contol species, shit sounds like a good time to me. thats like drink a mimosa on the beach and quit your whining in my opinion....
maybe the orgs from gemini can collaborate on improving the stage where most of the psy will be next year? I'm sure there are ways to improve the party but it sounds like you guys are heading in the right direction. I like the rotating stage idea, though honestly you could avoid alot of the elitist bullsh*t if you just segregated the stages, eg this stage with too much bass and barely any tops is for the dub step, this one is for progressive (house, trance, whatever) etc etc. just a thought. Its good to expose the kids to new music but if they are bickering about it, then maybe seperating into sub categories isnt a bad idea as otherwise everyone is just wandering from stage to stage trying to catch the same genre anyway, though I guess they get to see all the stages that way. I dont know, I'm sure you'll figure it out. despite the criticisms here, I've heard from friends it was an amazing event and knowing a few of the orgs, I'd agree that it looks like you have a dedicated crew with enough experience and intention to pull off years of amazing festivals to come. I'll try to make it out one of these years
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I want to see these feather and leather dubstep people...
Besides all the drama it sounds like it was a beutiful set up.
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so i wasn't at symbiosis, but had many friends who were, and I had to check this thread out.
as someone who wasn't there, I'm not in a position to really participate in the debate at all, but I'm kinda upset by the apparent animosity that exists between the psy and dubstep communities... cuz i'm a psy dj/producer who also makes/spins dubstep. I just had an freakin awesome weekend at Earthdance in Iowa, and there didn't seem to be any animosity between the dubstep acts/fans and the psy acts/fans - in fact it was quite the opposite, everyone seemed to really get along and all enjoyed each others' company/vibes/music/etc.
if you meet some dicks, or even a whole bunch of dicks, who happen to be into dubstep, please don't just assume that people that like/make/spin dubstep are dicks. Dicks are dicks, cool people are cool people, and what type of music they listen to/spin/produce doesn't matter...
Labeling people strips them of their individual humanity, and this dehumanization allows animosity to turn into hatred - none of us are "dubsteppers" or "psytrancers", we are all utterly unique individuals... Obviously this is hyperbole, but this same sort of tendency is what allows governments to convince their people that some other group of people is "The Enemy" and create a justification for mass murder (war).
and yeah, I want some pics too!! this whole feather/leather thing is new to me (i'm based in Colorado)...
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On 2009-09-30 01:07, Omega wrote:
...I'm kinda upset by the apparent animosity that exists between the psy and dubstep communities...
I was there and neither witnessed nor encountered any animosity between anyone. There were a whole lotta people there having a whole lotta fun. I wouldn't take a few emotional posts on an internet forum as a representation of the vibe of the event.
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On 2009-09-30 01:07, Omega wrote:
and yeah, I want some pics too!! this whole feather/leather thing is new to me (i'm based in Colorado)...
No pics but I posted this video earlier. Pretty much sums up my experience, just bliss for 5 days:
On 2009-09-29 23:59, vaxination wrote:
...maybe the orgs from gemini can collaborate on improving the stage where most of the psy will be next year?
That's the sort of thing I like to read.
Um you all do realize that "Paradigm" was the organizer of Gemini this year? And with Bephree's negative response to Paradigm's comments I seriously doubt that is ever going to happen.
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On 2009-09-29 23:59, vaxination wrote:
...maybe the orgs from gemini can collaborate on improving the stage where most of the psy will be next year?
That's the sort of thing I like to read.
Um you all do realize that "Paradigm" was the organizer of Gemini this year? And with Bephree's negative response to Paradigm's comments I seriously doubt that is ever going to happen.
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Spook played, dint he? did witchdokta? i could see that happening, hell, with paradigms skills in all senses, i wouldnt rule out a sunday church session @ Symbiosis led by the minister himself could not happen, provided a bit of flexibility and sense o youmore.
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On 2009-09-29 23:59, vaxination wrote:
...maybe the orgs from gemini can collaborate on improving the stage where most of the psy will be next year?
That's the sort of thing I like to read.
Um you all do realize that "Paradigm" was the organizer of Gemini this year? And with Bephree's negative response to Paradigm's comments I seriously doubt that is ever going to happen.
I think that they both have said some pritty shity things about each other in this thread...
And correct me if I'm wronge but Gemini is a free comunity event and is not owned by anyone.
Did the docta not start that event and paridgm just took over this year due to the new baby?
I've only been 1 year and am not acting like I know what going on but that seems like a unneeded aspect to bring into this already cluster f#*%@.
Caint we all just get along? j/k
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I think that they both have said some pritty shity things about each other in this thread...
Hold the phone here...
Paradigm talked mad shit about an event where (even after his original hostilities) he was invited to take part and be a teammate and then bailed on his responsibilities, directly insulted the Symbiosis vibe, and accused Symbiosis Events and Symbiosis Gathering of discrimination.
I defended the Symbiosis perspective and called Paradigm out for not living up to his word. I am just telling it how it is. I have written nothing shitty about Paradigm that isn't based in fact. I disagreed with his paradigm and I called him out for bailing on his commitment. Don't tell me I'm saying shitty things about someone just because I tell the truth about something shitty he did!
Why is this thread about Paradigm? He had NOTHING to do with the organization of this event and he didn't live up to the opportunity we offered. Not only that, then he came out with guns a blazin' with his emotionally based entitlement vibe.
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*looses (sic) part of its soul.
*WAS ORIGINALLY A PSY EVENT
*felt such like a second class citizen
*I almost felt like a black man
*Not one morning trance act played
*I dont think ive encountered a sub-set of the culture as annoying as the feather and leather dub step crowd
*The hippy inspired, pseudo hip-hop, "green" bling of it all was just obscene
*org seems so set upon limiting and isolating the trance
*give us our own stage
*let the trancers do their thing un-molested
*return to the comfort of our own, welcoming, non-judgemental, non oxy-moronic dance floor.
*frustrating, insulting, and just plain shitty
*i disagree, those kids have been about dub step since its inception. Tho, they also follow the Burner glitch thing.
Its just getting worse and worse every year
I will not stand aside while someone insults my community and an event that I have worked this hard on with unfounded accusations just because people like him as a psytrance DJ. Did he sit in to any of the 60 workshops that we offered? Did he check out the eco-exploratorium? Did he talk to green team members?
Paradigm segregated himself and them blamed us for his plight AND THEN rallied the people who weren't there (Psyman, nod, Bodhi) to support his argument. No thank you. Please don't point that thing at me.
How many DJ's played at Symbiosis? Probably less than 10. We book mostly producers at this point and a FEW other folks who are upstanding pillars of the community and who bring people together not those who are divisive. We have enough divisive people in charge around the world. Symbiosis Events opts out of those who are divisive and unfortunately Paradigm falls into this category from my experience and for this reason his future participation in Symbiosis is undesired.
I'm not going to hold an unfounded grudge, but I'm also not looking for a new teammate that talks MAD shit about the very event that he is invited to participate, where I work UNPAID 40-60 hours a week for 5-6 months on and who BAILS ON HIS RESPONSIBILITY just because people think he PLAYS good psytrance. No thanks. We have a list of people from here to the moon of DJ's that would like a chance to share their gifts who would rather help our cause than create fluctuations in the force.
and finally...
This is ISRA-TRANCE and we had A BUNCH OF ISRAELIS! This site is not called PSYTRANCE its called ISRATRANCE and ISRA stands for ISRAEL and we had ARTISTS FROM ISRAEL so don't tell me this isn't the place to post about ISRAELI TRANCE!
If you think Perfect Stranger, Ace Ventura, and Yotopia play boring music TAKE IT UP WITH THEM! If you don't think they play trance, tell Beatport, PsyShop, and Saiko Sounds and have them CHANGE THE GENRE that they are filed under.
I love these guys and I love where they are taking trance these days. I don't care that its not 'how it used to be'. I'm not attached to the past and I'm not attached to the future either. I will tell you this... I AM ATTACHED to Symbiosis because I believe that it is a ray of sunshine in dark times and I will support this vibe until I collapse from exhaustion.
How about we start a new thread for anything that has to do with Paradigm and Symbiosis? I have said my piece and Paradigm isn't responding anymore so I am ready to stop talking about people who aren't present and resume talking of the EVENT. Are you?
Make no mistake, Symbiosis was a wonderful experience, and anyone who went solely for music missed the larger point of the gathering. Although a serious cornerstone, this festival reached well beyond the boundaries of music alone, I hear only a select few complaining about the festival not being proper just because there "wasn't enough Trance," and it is truly saddening that this thread has gotten so negative about an event that was formulated around the concept of unity and limitlessness.
Music is super important to me as well, and obviously I was attracted to the Trance lineup at the festy, but we all were also VERY intrigued to hear new music within other genres at different stages.
In and around the music part, we cruised the venue checking out all sorts of art/guest speakers/workshhops/etc....would've been foolish not to.
We will certainly be back next year, and thank you for putting together such an experience.
ps
Just for clarification, my production/promotion/pro audio company here in Colorado is coincidentally called "Paradigm Production/Pro Audio."
Totally unrelated to said dj on this thread.
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I think that they both have said some pritty shity things about each other in this thread...
Hold the phone here...
Paradigm talked mad shit about an event where (even after his original hostilities) he was invited to take part and be a teammate and then bailed on his responsibilities, directly insulted the Symbiosis vibe, and accused Symbiosis Events and Symbiosis Gathering of discrimination.
I defended the Symbiosis perspective and called Paradigm out for not living up to his word. I am just telling it how it is. I have written nothing shitty about Paradigm that isn't based in fact. I disagreed with his paradigm and I called him out for bailing on his commitment. Don't tell me I'm saying shitty things about someone just because I tell the truth about something shitty he did!
Why is this thread about Paradigm? He had NOTHING to do with the organization of this event and he didn't live up to the opportunity we offered. Not only that, then he came out with guns a blazin' with his emotionally based entitlement vibe.
Quote:
*looses (sic) part of its soul.
*WAS ORIGINALLY A PSY EVENT
*felt such like a second class citizen
*I almost felt like a black man
*Not one morning trance act played
*I dont think ive encountered a sub-set of the culture as annoying as the feather and leather dub step crowd
*The hippy inspired, pseudo hip-hop, "green" bling of it all was just obscene
*org seems so set upon limiting and isolating the trance
*give us our own stage
*let the trancers do their thing un-molested
*return to the comfort of our own, welcoming, non-judgemental, non oxy-moronic dance floor.
*frustrating, insulting, and just plain shitty
*i disagree, those kids have been about dub step since its inception. Tho, they also follow the Burner glitch thing.
Its just getting worse and worse every year
I will not stand aside while someone insults my community and an event that I have worked this hard on with unfounded accusations just because people like him as a psytrance DJ. Did he sit in to any of the 60 workshops that we offered? Did he check out the eco-exploratorium? Did he talk to green team members?
Paradigm segregated himself and them blamed us for his plight AND THEN rallied the people who weren't there (Psyman, nod, Bodhi) to support his argument. No thank you. Please don't point that thing at me.
How many DJ's played at Symbiosis? Probably less than 10. We book mostly producers at this point and a FEW other folks who are upstanding pillars of the community and who bring people together not those who are divisive. We have enough divisive people in charge around the world. Symbiosis Events opts out of those who are divisive and unfortunately Paradigm falls into this category from my experience and for this reason his future participation in Symbiosis is undesired.
I'm not going to hold an unfounded grudge, but I'm also not looking for a new teammate that talks MAD shit about the very event that he is invited to participate, where I work UNPAID 40-60 hours a week for 5-6 months on and who BAILS ON HIS RESPONSIBILITY just because people think he PLAYS good psytrance. No thanks. We have a list of people from here to the moon of DJ's that would like a chance to share their gifts who would rather help our cause than create fluctuations in the force.
and finally...
This is ISRA-TRANCE and we had A BUNCH OF ISRAELIS! This site is not called PSYTRANCE its called ISRATRANCE and ISRA stands for ISRAEL and we had ARTISTS FROM ISRAEL so don't tell me this isn't the place to post about ISRAELI TRANCE!
If you think Perfect Stranger, Ace Ventura, and Yotopia play boring music TAKE IT UP WITH THEM! If you don't think they play trance, tell Beatport, PsyShop, and Saiko Sounds and have them CHANGE THE GENRE that they are filed under.
I love these guys and I love where they are taking trance these days. I don't care that its not 'how it used to be'. I'm not attached to the past and I'm not attached to the future either. I will tell you this... I AM ATTACHED to Symbiosis because I believe that it is a ray of sunshine in dark times and I will support this vibe until I collapse from exhaustion.
How about we start a new thread for anything that has to do with Paradigm and Symbiosis? I have said my piece and Paradigm isn't responding anymore so I am ready to stop talking about people who aren't present and resume talking of the EVENT. Are you?
I was just making a comment because it's kinda silly for people to be saying they want Paradigm to organize the Symbiosis stage. Come on people read the thread before you comment. Although, in my honest opinion he should have been the one organizing the "sub stage" and the Sunday morning "psytrance" line up. Talk all the shit you want about him but I've NEVER seen a flow and line up done as well as Gemini this year.
@ Bephree - You need to chill out and take some deep breaths dude! No one said anything negative about Symbiosis they were just expressing their personal experiences. Not everyone is going to love everything you do thats life get over it! The only thing that people have commented on was the the simple fact the party had hardly any full-on psytrance. THAT WAS THE 100% TRUTH! You will probably disagree because you don't seem to know much about the genre or the PSYTRANCE Community. Yes, we are a hard to please bunch but our hearts and intentions are truly in the right place.
Isra Trance is a Psytrance Forum. You would know this if you ever came on for anything besides your own promotion. Maybe it started out promoting Israeli trance but now its really not. You should expand your horizons and actually attend a Psytrance gathering such as Gemini or Gaian Mind so you have an idea what the hell we are talking about. Even your comment way earlier about purchasing a ticket to Gemini Festival just shows how little you really know about psytrance because everyone knows its a free party!
Personally, I don't know if I will attend this event next year. I think the location, art, workshops, vendors were great but for me personally I find it really hard to do workshops at a festival such as this because I am too distracted by the music.
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bephree, I am not on anyones side here...
I have read the whole thread and yes you both have said some realy bad things and are acting like kids.
I do not deffend what Paridgm said it WAS offensive and to be honest I think he should have known better that to say somthing like that and he even said him self he had second thoughts about posting it.
You are not an angel here either, you said some really offensive things in reponce to him...I am not going to re post any of it because it should not have ever been said by either of you.
Anyone involved in planning events know what kind of work go's into it and knows what all can go wronge. Nothing make it ok to say the things you both have said to each other on an open forum.
I do not know either of you and I did not even attend this event, I am an out sider and just letting you know what I've seen and read here.
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Sounds great... I'll stop... I didn't intend intensity... I believe in what we do and I invite people in for a look...
