Symbiosis Gathering REVISED!!! September 17-21, 2009 Yosemite, CA

On 2009-09-22 02:05, paradigm wrote:

..... and speaking of dub step. in my 14 years of being in the overall EDM scene. I dont think ive encountered a sub-set of the culture as annoying as the feather and leather dub step crowd. The hippy inspired, pseudo hip-hop, "green" bling of it all was just obscene.
and BTW... whats with the eco-friendly, mostly veggie eating crowd doing adorned in obscene amounts of dead animal parts (i.e feather and leather)
do they understand the total oxy-moronic nature of their group...

On 2009-09-23 06:58, zariat wrote:

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On 2009-09-22 02:05, paradigm wrote: well here we go.... However... this event, WAS ORIGINALLY A PSY EVENT, it is directly descended from what is considered the most legendary psy event in West Coast psy history...

ok - i am not following you AT ALL here. the first Symbiosis Gathering was on 2005 and had a diverse lineup with many genres of music. i am a founding producer of this event and it did not 'descend' from any other event or production crew. not goa play or any other one. several of our producers have worked on MANY other events, and while the experience has inspired and taught us greatly, Symbiosis is entirely its own thing. Trying to box us into your idea of some historical era of psytrance on the West Coast just isn't real... we were always based on the idea of bringing diverse styles of music and types of people together in an event that is about much more than the music itself.

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It is very very far from its roots todays, and in fact, as a trancer, I have never felt such like a second class citizen at a event. We were given the worst stage, with the smallest sound, in the dustiest area, in the back corner. Very segregated, I almost felt like a black man, in the 50's at this party. Yes i know Treavor, Kox Box, and Hallucinogen all played sat night at the lake stage (the best stage IMO btw), but Treavor is part of the crew, and gets prime time every year and Posford plays every year, even tho we all wish he didnt. That gives us, Kox Box as the only brought in act to headline for the trancers.

Again, another misconception - Treavor is not 'part of the crew' at all. He gets prime slots because he deserves them, period.

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A mear pitance for a 4 day long festival, that once was focused on trance..

It was *never* "focused on trance."

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anyways, if the event goes on.... since, the org seems so set upon limiting and isolating the trance.... why not just give us our own stage in the neither regions of the venue. Give it to a local collaboration of crews and let the trancers do their thing un-molested. They will be happier and the dub steppers will be happier to not hear it either. If we want to catch another act or show, we will venture out, then return to the comfort of our own, welcoming, non-judgemental, non oxy-moronic dance floor.

You know what? Why don't you throw your own festival like this. Go ahead and do it just the way you want it. No other serious festival in America that books multiple genres of music even books trance at all anymore. We show love, try to bring together diverse people and ideas, bring you new artists like Perfect Stranger - and in an environment full of massive art and workshops that no other trance-only festival could support these days (in north america)... And it's never enough for some people.... We care so much about this community (of which we are a part) and have all worked really hard to hear so much crticism. Can you give us an example of an event in North America that is comparable to ours that does things the way you like...? Honestly, I'm wondering if it's possible.

On 2009-09-23 21:10, psyman wrote:
Well I will tell you one thing.

This "Beephree" guy came into this forum and promoted the shit out of this event on a PSYTRANCE forum. Claiming he is part of the organizers.

If you do that promotion on a PSYTRANCE forum asking people to come to your event you better provide PSYTRANCE.

I mean you dont go to a techno forum and promote a house event right???

I do understand that that was allstylemusic event I get that. But if you are saying there will be PSYTRANCE and there is none that is not right. (Nothing against proggressive by the way).

O a big psytrance event in North America is Eclipse in Canada psytrance only with the size of Symbiosis

On 2009-09-23 22:20, psyman wrote:
Great words and thank you for replying.

What I am saying is things that bother me... Yes life is a lot more then music like you say, but lets face it people go to festivals for the music (at least most of them) and they come for the music they like (again most of them). And so that is why I was saying that needs to be psytrance-progressive. If there is not enough, that means that the festival is commercialized, for good or bad each with his own opinion.

Plus do not get mad as an organizing you ned to know that you will get praise and you will get critique.

On 2009-09-23 23:03, Btros wrote:

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On 2009-09-23 22:20, psyman wrote: Great words and thank you for replying. What I am saying is things that bother me... Yes life is a lot more then music like you say, but lets face it people go to festivals for the music (at least most of them) and they come for the music they like (again most of them). And so that is why I was saying that needs to be psytrance-progressive. If there is not enough, that means that the festival is commercialized, for good or bad each with his own opinion. Plus do not get mad as an organizing you ned to know that you will get praise and you will get critique.

I think you're getting the wrong idea, since you weren't there....as far as psytrance, just off the top of my head, there was:
Treavor
Koxbox
Hallucinogen
Dr. Spook
Chromatone
Penta
Perfect Stranger
ShadowFX
Sun Control Species
Flip Flop
Kiva

That's a pretty good representation for a multi-genre ARTS and music festival. I, like others who enjoyed the festival, didn't go with the expectation of it being a full on straight trance festival. I expected to hear lots of other kinds of music that I was not familiar with. In fact, I spent most of Sunday at the Lake stage, where there was no trance and I had no idea who was playing, just because the vibe and atmosphere there were so awesome - although I bounced back and forth and caught a lot of good music at the Field Stage too.