Dylan89
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Posted : Dec 24, 2013 15:54:12
Hi folks
I searched already in the search option but i didn't find anything.
A friend of mine tell me about a swing prog bass line. how does it work? Are this bassline triplets or what?
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I don't produce prog psy, I produce night fullon but I'm curious, that's it http://soundcloud.com/dylanproject
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Posted : Dec 24, 2013 16:23
Well, swing is a music term, so it's applicable to any instrument part.
Usually we divide a tune into a tempo, and use uniform steps for that tempo. So in psytrance, we've got the 4 to the floor (4/4), and usually use a bassline in 16th notes, so divide each beat into 4 equal spaces. The kick goes on the first one, and the bass notes may go on the second, third and forth. But it's not limited to this, as you can swing any division, for example, the third division.
Nevertheless, swing works great when applied on the off beat of your tune, be it the second beat, the third division, etc.
Swing usually means to use uneven divisions between the notes, so usually the second and forth divisions are shifted in tempo. A 3/4 tempo could be considered as a determined amount of swing, but then again so can the 4/4 16th notes (with 0% swing)
So, disable your MIDI grid and start placing notes with free timing, and you'll get a type of swing -> however, very uneven between the beats.
So DAW's give you the feature of automatically applying swing to a part, be it audio or midi notes. On Ableton, you use the groove engine. On FL Studio, the sequencer window has a swing fader on the top. You just need to find the right setting on your favorite DAW.
BTW, swing can really help humanize your tune, by introducing the natural irregularities on a human player (no one is perfect..). Typically it's used in the drum / perc section, however the remaining instruments should follow the drums so they'll end up swinging too Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz
supergroover
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Posted : Dec 24, 2013 16:23
What he means is that you can apply swing to the bassline to make it groove a bit more. There is an option in every DAW to add swing. It basically adjusts the distance of a note to the grid. So the more swing you give it the further away it falls from the grid.
If it has swing the note doesn't fall right on the count but a little later usually. So it sounds less rigid.
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Posted : Dec 24, 2013 17:53
have tried to do that type bassline yesterday...make a normal kbbb (don´t forget to experiment) bassline put the grid at 1/16 and add some swing maybe 30% more and less.., prog swing bassline
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 00:42
swing bassline works well in progressive music... was it Babaluma who turned me on to that one??? Not sure anymore, it works well in any k_bb situation, try to change the location and length of the bb midi notes very slightly, can give you some nice stomping fx... I would not use that in situations over 140 or so bpm, and likely not in a kbbb situation...
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 00:48
whatever you do, don't just switch to a section with swing simply to mask that your track is boring and lacking ideas. that has become quite prevalent in progressive lately and it's already getting old and annoying.
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 00:49
you can get some sort of swing by using triplets as they are out of the normal grid depending on their position
house drums can swing like hell and this comes mostly by using triplet programming, together with the famous mpc swing I guess.
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 09:21
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On 2013-12-25 00:48, Padmapani wrote:
whatever you do, don't just switch to a section with swing simply to mask that your track is boring and lacking ideas. that has become quite prevalent in progressive lately and it's already getting old and annoying.
You mean triplets. I don't think it counts as swing. But I see what you mean. It works well on a dancefloor so I understand why many artists still do this. But it is getting boring indeed if it happens too often.
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 19:54
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On 2013-12-25 09:21, supergroover wrote:
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On 2013-12-25 00:48, Padmapani wrote:
whatever you do, don't just switch to a section with swing simply to mask that your track is boring and lacking ideas. that has become quite prevalent in progressive lately and it's already getting old and annoying.
You mean triplets. I don't think it counts as swing. But I see what you mean [...] But it is getting boring indeed if it happens too often.
It works well on a dancefloor so I understand why many artists still do this
i'm starting to question if many of today's artists and dj's can judge that properly. according to some conversations i've had lately, people will cheer when the beat comes back in but that doesn't at all mean that they want it to go away to lead to another short build and drop anytime soon, which is apparently what producers think. anyone i have talked to would rather dance the whole time and is complaining about the stop-and-go music we're treated with.
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 23:00
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Posted : Dec 26, 2013 05:27
Swing for me came naturally especially in old house like my bro made with analogue gear in the early 90's. It was more due to imperfections in the gear that have the drum machine & bass sequencer it's own swing, making a lot more IMO of the tunes back then danceable compared to the strictly sequenced in the box tunes you hear now.
It's a shame that there aren't many analog drum & bass machines around now but it's heading back that way slowly. I borrowed a mates 707 & 808 a while back with his 303 devil fish & man did I get some funk out of those!!
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