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orgytime
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Posted : May 27, 2012 18:23
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-16db is overpowered imo, and the guy in the video did it on to much freqs. just listen to the eqed thing, its dead sounding. as PoM told me a while ago, cutting one freq and anotherone will appear. but ive had some really powerfull results with surgical eqing on real instruments.
for the Q factor, its common to use broader Q´s the deeper you go, but always try it out. mostly i use cuts from -3 to -10 db.
yeah, and i love waves Q for this kind of work.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : May 28, 2012 04:24
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demoniac
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Posted : May 28, 2012 05:59
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Babaluma
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Posted : May 28, 2012 11:02
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On 2012-05-27 18:23, orgytime wrote:
-16db is overpowered imo,
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but its not a rule  its always question of sound source and what you want to achieve. every sound is a different story. dont limit ourselves by such rules, like boost no more than 3db, cut no more than 5dB...ie, for beginners, such rules are ok, but if you already have experience, then only ear should be a judge not numbers.
just my 3 cents 
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totally agree with alien bug, why limit yourself to anything? they are all tools, and in experienced hands used in the right context can help us make things sound better.
i've never found a digital eq i liked using for excessive boost, but i can boost 21dB with my Pullet and it sounds great on some sources!
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dj chichke
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Posted : May 28, 2012 11:34
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On 2012-05-27 18:23, orgytime wrote:
-16db is overpowered imo,
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but its not a rule its always question of sound source and what you want to achieve. every sound is a different story. dont limit ourselves by such rules, like boost no more than 3db, cut no more than 5dB...ie, for beginners, such rules are ok, but if you already have experience, then only ear should be a judge not numbers.
just my 3 cents
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totally agree with alien bug, why limit yourself to anything? they are all tools, and in experienced hands used in the right context can help us make things sound better.
i've never found a digital eq i liked using for excessive boost, but i can boost 21dB with my Pullet and it sounds great on some sources!
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I used also to limit myself and i was afraid to boost too much, but now i boost how much i fill i need to. In electronic music you don't need that sounds will sound always natural.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : May 28, 2012 11:58
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Some time ago, along with a friend in pro-studio we had a chance to compare the SSL Channel EQ (plugin) with Ableton Live EQ8. We had to raise 'air' frequencies by 15dB and more. Difference was HUGE. EQ8 hissed so much that i couldnt withstand, SSL EQ sounded very nice, but also more subtly. Also, much depends on the tools that we use.
Today's tools allow to do miracles, but there is still a lot of review, even from 20 years ago when there was completely different technology. such as old claim that to cut not boost, took from technical reasons of old analog EQs, and people not even knowing why, they use this method on a completely technically different EQ, because someone wrote that on the internet.
Another thing that we limit ourselves here to the kick / bass and synth sounds. and yet they are live recordings, and many other audio sources. like the sound from the movies or from YouTube, where we not always affect the quality and we need to edit, sometimes even very drastic (20dB hiss on 16kHz as example)
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Alien Bug
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Posted : May 28, 2012 12:04
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In electronic music you don't need that sounds will sound always natural.
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Yeah, this is so true The nature of unnatural synthetic sounds is that it is unnatural.
Break the rules=evolution especially in music industry.
for example just look at the growth of electronic music. a few years ago a very strong compression was unthinkable. Benny Benassi show that breaking this rule, you can completely change the face of music. Is there anyone else who does not use sidechain compression?
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orgytime
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Posted : May 28, 2012 13:57
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umm. i was talking about the -16 db cuts are to much in this video, and i said so, because his eq work sounded like shit, not because of any rule
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Psybro
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Posted : May 29, 2012 03:33
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 7, 2012 01:02
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a technic that is often used with narrow Q that haven t been discussed even if it s very usefull.. if you want to boost slighty like around 3k on a kick for example..you can cut a few db just before it insteed of boosting 3k..it can sometimes work great ..look for the sweet spot.. very usefull technic on many occasion, in the mix, mastering.. |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Jun 7, 2012 10:49
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