Equilizyme
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Posted : May 17, 2012 02:22:11
I read this other drum n bass forum sometimes and I came across this video there about surgical EQing. It seems to me like this guy is getting really intense with cutting frequencies.
I am wondering if anyone here uses a technique like this or has experience, opinions about this, etc...
Unfortunately the guy who made the vid doesn't A/B the final product with the initial, so I cant get a grasp on what the overall adjusted product sounds like.
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jonsta
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Posted : May 17, 2012 02:48
If the instruments are of high quality I usually only cut at 40hz and nothing more. 'surgical EQ' can be useful when mixing your kick with bass but even so I very rarely use it anymore. The quality of the source is the most important!
I use this if a voice / instrument recording is of bad quality and has a white noise or smth and have to cut it.
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Posted : May 17, 2012 02:50
if it sound good no need to boost 10 db to hear if something doesn t sound right..
if a resonance disturb me i may boost to find it more precisely but most of the times i look at it by cutting, it tired less the ears and to me its more effective for the overall equing of the sound
Equilizyme
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Posted : May 17, 2012 08:06
thanks for your replies!
do you think that the way he is doing all these highQ, -15dB cuts is a common practice/overall beneficial for the sound? I definitely understand how a disturbing resonance could be corrected this way, but to do 16 of these type of cuts seems extreme.
I am new to 'surgical EQ' tho, so i thought id ask the opinion of the isratrance think tank
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Posted : May 17, 2012 14:52
I tried doing this once on some open hats and claps... once I finished cutting out all the frequencies that resonated I was left with something that sounded more like white noise than cymbals. I think those resonances are what gives the instruments that recognizable character.
Plus no matter how big your Q after enough cuts you can hear all the notching in the sample - starts to sound like a comb filter.
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Posted : May 17, 2012 16:38
Babaluma
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Posted : May 18, 2012 10:59
I use it quite often, but only when it's needed. If I listen to a track and there is something obviously poking out, I'll use surgical EQ to cut it until it sounds better behaved with the rest of the track. If there is more than one thing poking out, I'll cut that too. So it's really case by case. I think if I received a track for mastering that needed sixteen of those, I'd be more likley just to ask for a better mix in the first place!
Also, -15dB is a LOT, especially when using such high Q factors, and is liable to cause all sorts of weird phase shift (minimum phase) or pre-ringing (linear phase).
I think that 16 surgical cuts at -15dB is just going to leave you with a mess. I rarely use more than -3dB in surgical cutting.
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Posted : May 18, 2012 16:02
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On 2012-05-17 13:58, daark wrote:
notching out all the harmonics wonderful idea.
Yeah, and we wonder after why some guys put 40 bands of EQ on all their sounds ...
There is clearly crap advices on a lot of youtube "tutorial" videos.
http://www.storm-mastering.com
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Posted : May 18, 2012 17:06
awesome stuff man in my playlist ! sorry if offtopic