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d1m1tr1
Dark Elf

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Posts :  2168
Posted : May 20, 2007 21:00
yes but its the mp3 reign...
and mp3 SUCKZ big time           http://darkelf.gr
http://www.sonic-loom.com
virava


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Posts :  620
Posted : May 21, 2007 04:28
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On 2007-05-20 21:00, d1m1tr1 wrote:
yes but its the mp3 reign...
and mp3 SUCKZ big time




labels also suck because they don t give enough money to the artists, they keep for themselves. casual labels do not respect the efforts of the artists and the money of the fans.
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DETOX
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Posts :  6194
Posted : May 21, 2007 17:54
There are good labels and bad labels,dont just generalise.

The good labels that pay their artists are well known all around the globe,if some so called artists are desperate to release their music and risk by making aggreements with shitty labels then its their fault.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
virava


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Posts :  620
Posted : May 22, 2007 03:39
is there any label which pays the artist (for a personal album for example) half the money of the cost that the album has on the market, for each copy is sold?
because i m almost sure that the answer is no, i insist in this generalize as for labels.           -_-_-_-_-_-_

www.myspace.com/viktoronmyspace <= mySpace-artist link

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DETOX
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Posts :  6194
Posted : May 22, 2007 14:30
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On 2007-05-22 03:39, virava wrote:
is there any label which pays the artist (for a personal album for example) half the money of the cost that the album has on the market, for each copy is sold?
because i m almost sure that the answer is no, i insist in this generalize as for labels.



You really dont have a clue what are the costs of producing,manufacturing and distributing a cd and how the music industry (not only psy trance but in general) works do you?

I am actually preety sure that you think that a label for each cd that psyshop sells for 12 euros gets back something like 9-10 euros isnt that right?

If you dont know a lot about quantum physics then you better dont speak about them but ask and learn,same applies for the psy trance cd market.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
eternal motion - SG
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  46
Posts :  284
Posted : May 22, 2007 15:22
Quote:

On 2007-05-14 06:36, Void Network wrote:
As for about the trance scene in general:
If the people will not be just victims of the high-ego organizers...If the people are not just blind followers of the "super-star" artists of the psy-trance market...and...If the high-price tickets of bouzouki high- clubs turn to free open air rave parties for thousands of people...everything will be much better...
(But for to make this things come true we need to try it all together...cause this things will never get organized by some
high-ego organizers that they try to sell the tickets of a "super star" in the entrance of an awfull bouzouki mafia-club!)
The People makes The Party Come True!
The Party belongs to the ravers!
(not to the buisnessman)
Free Party Movement!
Keep the Underground Resistance Alive!



We just couldn't resist on adding some comments at this post allthough atually is not our "business" to manipulate people with faulse definitions regarding "psy trance".
Just some questions to the void network people.
Have you ever visited thessaloniki's "mafia places" such as ydrogeios, neraida, or mylos complex? Do you know in person any "high ego organiser" from thessaloniki (the kind that treats ravers as victims ? )
Have you ever took full responsibility for every single raver attending your events? Have you ever came face to face with organised drug cartels trying to kill ravers at a party? Have you any idea what it means to put your full name up front for a scene wich for years is the black sheep for tv chanels, authorities etc?
Have you any idea what it means to run this scene without any (serious) problems for 5 long years (like all thessaloniki's organisers do?)

Since we know that you will probably reply on this, one last question. How can you run raves really UNDER the ground without anyone paying attention (like all tv chanels do after most of your events),if you really want no molotovs burning the place all around you then how do you define "underground resistance"? And last but not least what do you mean by saying that raves belongs to ravers and what makes you more ravers than us or any other organiser or raver who loves producers that you call "superstars"? (should we put a label such as (collective, fight against capitalistic stupidity as you mention at another topic, in order to become real ravers like you?)

Thanx in advance for your time.

PS
btw here is a link of an awfull place during a free party
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8306098@N07/

          motion is the eternal order of things
RAVE ksylwne
uforica025
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  43
Posts :  514
Posted : May 22, 2007 19:22
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 15:22, eternal motion - SG wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-05-14 06:36, Void Network wrote:
As for about the trance scene in general:
If the people will not be just victims of the high-ego organizers...If the people are not just blind followers of the "super-star" artists of the psy-trance market...and...If the high-price tickets of bouzouki high- clubs turn to free open air rave parties for thousands of people...everything will be much better...
(But for to make this things come true we need to try it all together...cause this things will never get organized by some
high-ego organizers that they try to sell the tickets of a "super star" in the entrance of an awfull bouzouki mafia-club!)
The People makes The Party Come True!
The Party belongs to the ravers!
(not to the buisnessman)
Free Party Movement!
Keep the Underground Resistance Alive!



We just couldn't resist on adding some comments at this post allthough atually is not our "business" to manipulate people with faulse definitions regarding "psy trance".
Just some questions to the void network people.
Have you ever visited thessaloniki's "mafia places" such as ydrogeios, neraida, or mylos complex? Do you know in person any "high ego organiser" from thessaloniki (the kind that treats ravers as victims ? )
Have you ever took full responsibility for every single raver attending your events? Have you ever came face to face with organised drug cartels trying to kill ravers at a party? Have you any idea what it means to put your full name up front for a scene wich for years is the black sheep for tv chanels, authorities etc?
Have you any idea what it means to run this scene without any (serious) problems for 5 long years (like all thessaloniki's organisers do?)

Since we know that you will probably reply on this, one last question. How can you run raves really UNDER the ground without anyone paying attention (like all tv chanels do after most of your events),if you really want no molotovs burning the place all around you then how do you define "underground resistance"? And last but not least what do you mean by saying that raves belongs to ravers and what makes you more ravers than us or any other organiser or raver who loves producers that you call "superstars"? (should we put a label such as (collective, fight against capitalistic stupidity as you mention at another topic, in order to become real ravers like you?)

Thanx in advance for your time.

PS
btw here is a link of an awfull place during a free party
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8306098@N07/



Hi my friend eternal motion,
i must say that i must agree with void network in some points..
u don't think really that some promoters put their own ego and profit higher of love they have for trance?
u don't think really that some artists acting like buzuki superstars asking for 1500 euros for an 1 hour live act?

I think u really do
friendly, Stathis
eternal motion - SG
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  46
Posts :  284
Posted : May 22, 2007 20:59
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 19:22, uforica025 wrote:


Hi my friend eternal motion,
i must say that i must agree with void network in some points..
u don't think really that some promoters put their own ego and profit higher of love they have for trance?
u don't think really that some artists acting like buzuki superstars asking for 1500 euros for an 1 hour live act?
I think u really do
friendly, Stathis



Hi my friend
Yes we do think so and we agree. After all this is the order of things, kind of "every one an original"

What we don't like is to put all things in a bag like the void net work does. And what is really disturbing is that the people of the void network are coming as a "collective who fights against capitalistic stupidity and state violence" making public statements as the "real ravers". We don't even know these people and certainly they don't know us as well in person.Anyway we don't know actually how things are "working" in Athens that's why we expressed our thoughts in order to put things straight that we certainly don't agree or even encourage such statements


Thank you for your time

PS
1500 euros??? far way more my friend. But as we said above "everyone an original"
          motion is the eternal order of things
RAVE ksylwne
uforica025
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  43
Posts :  514
Posted : May 23, 2007 17:26
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 20:59, eternal motion - SG wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 19:22, uforica025 wrote:


Hi my friend eternal motion,
i must say that i must agree with void network in some points..
u don't think really that some promoters put their own ego and profit higher of love they have for trance?
u don't think really that some artists acting like buzuki superstars asking for 1500 euros for an 1 hour live act?
I think u really do
friendly, Stathis



Hi my friend
Yes we do think so and we agree. After all this is the order of things, kind of "every one an original"

What we don't like is to put all things in a bag like the void net work does. And what is really disturbing is that the people of the void network are coming as a "collective who fights against capitalistic stupidity and state violence" making public statements as the "real ravers". We don't even know these people and certainly they don't know us as well in person.Anyway we don't know actually how things are "working" in Athens that's why we expressed our thoughts in order to put things straight that we certainly don't agree or even encourage such statements


Thank you for your time

PS
1500 euros??? far way more my friend. But as we said above "everyone an original"


So my friend,
we must try to change all this shit,
and stop bringing artists/superstars
(as also they had giving nothing new to the scene,but they use their big names to make the same same sounds and style on each album or gig)
and focus again on the original underground spirit that psychedelic had's on the early days...
That's my opinion, but who's listen?
Making money is the sweetest thing for some guys... (and don't take this badly, off course i don't mean u)
Friendly, Stathis
virava


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Posts :  620
Posted : May 23, 2007 17:45
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 14:30, DETOX wrote:
I am actually preety sure that you think that a label for each cd that psyshop sells for 12 euros gets back something like 9-10 euros isnt that right?

If you dont know a lot about quantum physics then you better dont speak about them but ask and learn,same applies for the psy trance cd market.




i don t care about what the labels get back from the shops, i don t like all this market situation in music industry in general. labels should find their own way for cheap production, net distribution is a great way. it s not fare the listener to pay 13E and only 1,3 of them to go to the pocket of the artist!

but labels want as more sellings as they can, using any way to achieve them, because some people inside they have to be payed in order to live from this profit, as it is their job.
this is what i have been talking about too, in the thread about making money from art.          -_-_-_-_-_-_

www.myspace.com/viktoronmyspace <= mySpace-artist link

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uforica025
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  43
Posts :  514
Posted : May 23, 2007 19:10
Quote:

On 2007-05-23 17:45, virava wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 14:30, DETOX wrote:
I am actually preety sure that you think that a label for each cd that psyshop sells for 12 euros gets back something like 9-10 euros isnt that right?

If you dont know a lot about quantum physics then you better dont speak about them but ask and learn,same applies for the psy trance cd market.




i don t care about what the labels get back from the shops, i don t like all this market situation in music industry in general. labels should find their own way for cheap production, net distribution is a great way. it s not fare the listener to pay 13E and only 1,3 of them to go to the pocket of the artist!

but labels want as more sellings as they can, using any way to achieve them, because some people inside they have to be payed in order to live from this profit, as it is their job.
this is what i have been talking about too, in the thread about making money from art.

Tell them bro!
The biggest harm to the scene is that is going be a money making market..
eternal motion - SG
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  46
Posts :  284
Posted : May 24, 2007 12:01
Quote:

On 2007-05-23 17:26, uforica025 wrote:

So my friend,
we must try to change all this shit,
and stop bringing artists/superstars
(as also they had giving nothing new to the scene,but they use their big names to make the same same sounds and style on each album or gig)
and focus again on the original underground spirit that psychedelic had's on the early days...
That's my opinion, but who's listen?
Making money is the sweetest thing for some guys... (and don't take this badly, off course i don't mean u)
Friendly, Stathis



The so called "psy trance" scene has become so big and complicated in terms of sounds, life style etc that is a wide open field for activities for thousands of people during our times. We prefer the word "raves" to include the whole thing within it. Big superstars, "small" upcoming stars, hobby producers, listeners, organisers are all wellcome Every one an original           motion is the eternal order of things
RAVE ksylwne
uforica025
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  43
Posts :  514
Posted : May 24, 2007 13:44
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 20:59, eternal motion - SG wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-05-22 19:22, uforica025 wrote:


Hi my friend eternal motion,
i must say that i must agree with void network in some points..
u don't think really that some promoters put their own ego and profit higher of love they have for trance?
u don't think really that some artists acting like buzuki superstars asking for 1500 euros for an 1 hour live act?
I think u really do
friendly, Stathis



Hi my friend
Yes we do think so and we agree. After all this is the order of things, kind of "every one an original"

What we don't like is to put all things in a bag like the void net work does. And what is really disturbing is that the people of the void network are coming as a "collective who fights against capitalistic stupidity and state violence" making public statements as the "real ravers". We don't even know these people and certainly they don't know us as well in person.Anyway we don't know actually how things are "working" in Athens that's why we expressed our thoughts in order to put things straight that we certainly don't agree or even encourage such statements


Thank you for your time

PS
1500 euros??? far way more my friend. But as we said above "everyone an original"


I don't know really the prices that performers ask for big parties in Athens or Salonica,i beleive u that they ask far more of 1500,
but here in Corfu, we made small parties of 300 persons mostly, so i think is very large profit that 1500e they ask from us for 1 hour gig...don't u?
And i don't mean the biggest names of the scene but even upcoming artist acting this way (like buzuki superstars...)

Greetz my friend...
Nurbs
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  21
Posts :  559
Posted : May 24, 2007 17:20
You pay over 1500 for cheesy neo full on, hahhaahhaha. Keep up
eternal motion - SG
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  46
Posts :  284
Posted : May 24, 2007 20:42
Quote:

On 2007-05-24 17:20, Nurbs wrote:
You pay over 1500 for cheesy neo full on, hahhaahhaha. Keep up




          motion is the eternal order of things
RAVE ksylwne
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