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SUN PROJECT LIVE @ Spirit Club Nyc , Saturday September 17th 2005
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robomarket
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Posted : Sep 19, 2005 07:20
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"Completely unfriendly and "un-trance" scene and environment. "
VERY! I absolutely agree with you on this one. Ah, i miss those ARK days where people who went there actually know SOMETHING about music.
Dance, or club "culture" is losing the true meaning of the word.
SUN Project kicked ass. I saw them at Spirit when they played last time in the city and the only thing i could say is-these people can rock the crowd and they do it with such a great enthusiasm. They are never nonshalant about it. They don't just play, they trully ROCK. I just love it when an artist/s is so determined in their performance.
The delay before the party pissed me off though. Then the opening DJ spun some really good tunes. I listened to every single track carefully and i could say that the mix was flawless. The selection of tracks was amazing. I need the name of that DJ.
I wish that party organizers would record the party and make it available for streaming somewhere on the internet. So if some of YOU, party promoters are reading this...take it into serious consideration...please. You see, i'd love to hear the same mix again.
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Ruslan Yusupov
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Posted : Sep 19, 2005 21:57
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zorom --
i am not sure what time the party on amsterdam avenue ended. unfortunately i had to leave early. maybe you can make a post in that thread for a better answer.
as for avalon, i am truly dissapointed with this venue as well. i am very much looking forward to seeing talamasca perform at the TSUNAMI 9th Anniversary Party but i am not sure if i want to go considering that the party will be held at avalon. though the fact that Nagual is decorating the place might alter the mood of the party in a good way.
what do you guys think? will it be worth going?
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SpaceShark
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Posted : Sep 19, 2005 23:47
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@russ
Talamasca is one of my favorite dj's, but It will the same thing as last week's party.
The crowd is always the same there and there is nothing you can do or anybody else can do about it. So if you want my opinion, it's not worth going, even though I'm positive that Mr. Cedric will do an awsome set.
I was so excited when Talamasca was supposed to play in Roxy back in August, but that event got cancelled. And now I am even more upset because he's coming, and I won't go to the event.
I atteneded two parties at Avalon: GMS party six month ago or so and last week's Sun Project. It was almost identical. At this point even Nagual's decorations won't even safe the place.
It's just a shame that some of the NY promoters bring such great artists not for fans who actually know and appreciate their music, but
for people who don't even know who those dj's are and simply don't give a shit about the music.
Sorry for such lenthy posts laterly, but I just needed to get it out of my system. |
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Trancemotion
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 07:36
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Hey Robomarket the name of the Dj that played before SUN PROJECT was Eyal Hen he is the opening Dj all the time at my parties.
Hey SpaceShark, just to let u know the schedule for the Sun project party was never until 8am, it was until 7am and the party finished between 6am to 7am. Yes sometimes if there are not many people it finishes earlier, the club closes a little bit before the hour, it’s not us doing that. Yes I know AVALON is not the best club in nyc but you people complain all the time about any club in nyc. We tried to do it @ the Spirit and there was a problem, before the party they canceled it, we tried to make it @ the Roxy and they also canceled it before the party, Like I said I don’t have many choices, I also want to find a Different club but it’s not possible in the city and I’m not going out of the city again!! The Big DJ’s are very expensive and they disserve a big club with many people even if there are people that don’t know them they need to start to know them. We want the trance to be big in nyc and not only 300 people and if we are going out of the city u will get only 300 People and not 1500 People and it will not be possible to bring the big Artist to nyc. Today the entire Artist plays in such big parties in the world and we try to give them a big stage also in NY. That’s why we are working with the big clubs in ny and not outside of the city with small crowd. Look, U have two psy-trance promoters in ny: u have the small ones and u have the commercial ones. U can go to the small parties if u want once a month or u can come to our commercial parties, u are welcome all the time and everybody else.
Peace & Love
TranceMotion Productions
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robomarket
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 07:54
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Thanx for the info Trancemotion.
Now my two cents. Last time i went to Avalon was when Astral Projection had a live performance there. The music was great but most of the people were not.
I always attend trance parties at Spirit but i do hesitate when they are held over at Avalon.
Anyway, it's not as bad people. I mean, i'm not going to look back and hate myself for going there or simply not go next time. I have to be really really dissapointed with the party so i don't go. The lighter side of everything is that the music was great. Just ignore the rest...70-80% idiots and you're cool!  Be positive and ignore the bad side of things...it keeps me going.
I wish they'd make parties at club Abyss in NJ. That club has a great potential but Trancemotion is right. Profit is important and that's why promoters hold big name parties in the city. |
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Skeeve
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 09:25
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Small parties once a month? Sorry, try every weekend, if not twice a weekend... and then make that three times a week when you throw in the weekly... nobody has to attend the big parties to get their fix if they don't want to.
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On 2005-09-20 07:36, Trancemotion wrote:
Hey Robomarket the name of the Dj that played before SUN PROJECT was Eyal Hen he is the opening Dj all the time at my parties.
Hey SpaceShark, just to let u know the schedule for the Sun project party was never until 8am, it was until 7am and the party finished between 6am to 7am. Yes sometimes if there are not many people it finishes earlier, the club closes a little bit before the hour, it’s not us doing that. Yes I know AVALON is not the best club in nyc but you people complain all the time about any club in nyc. We tried to do it @ the Spirit and there was a problem, before the party they canceled it, we tried to make it @ the Roxy and they also canceled it before the party, Like I said I don’t have many choices, I also want to find a Different club but it’s not possible in the city and I’m not going out of the city again!! The Big DJ’s are very expensive and they disserve a big club with many people even if there are people that don’t know them they need to start to know them. We want the trance to be big in nyc and not only 300 people and if we are going out of the city u will get only 300 People and not 1500 People and it will not be possible to bring the big Artist to nyc. Today the entire Artist plays in such big parties in the world and we try to give them a big stage also in NY. That’s why we are working with the big clubs in ny and not outside of the city with small crowd. Look, U have two psy-trance promoters in ny: u have the small ones and u have the commercial ones. U can go to the small parties if u want once a month or u can come to our commercial parties, u are welcome all the time and everybody else.
Peace & Love
TranceMotion Productions
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SpaceShark
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 11:00
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Hey SpaceShark, just to let u know the schedule for the Sun project party was never until 8am, it was until 7am and the party finished between 6am to 7am. Yes sometimes if there are not many people it finishes earlier, the club closes a little bit before the hour, it’s not us doing that. Yes I know AVALON is not the best club in nyc but you people complain all the time about any club in nyc. |
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SpaceShark
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 11:18
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@Trancemotion
1) As I said before I completely understand that artists are expensive and you are there to make money and you shoud not loose any money by organizing a party. I understand and respect that.
2) The original post indicated the part would end at 8:00. But it's fine, assuming the party was scheduled to go until 7, it finished at 6:03 (I checked my watch). Technically it falls between 6 and 7, but i consider it an hour (or two) earlier than scheduled.
3) I never complained about any other clubs before. Not Spirit nor any other clubs except for Avalon. And I've attended all your parties at Spirit w/o complaining about venue. Every party at Spirit has a big number of usual tranceheads, but Avalon doesn't/didn't.
I think you're taking all my postings on this topic the wrong way. I'm not complaining about you personally or about bad organization or anything like that. The price is reasonable and the artists play great music. I am just saying that Avalon is a very bad place to have a trance party. A lot of people can support me here.
And my postings here are not to argue with you or attack you in any way, but more of a feedback for you so you can see better what NY trance community thinks about it, so you can make better venue decison for future parties.
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rachel
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 19:47
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I'm as disinterested in everyone else in fighting a horrible crowd in order to hear a great DJ... but as the promoters here have a point - big clubs are our only option when it comes to a Talamasca or SUN Project.
So what do we do?
I think the real question is less about how to find another venue for these djs and more about how we can expand the trance community in NYC in the right direction.
There are so many untapped populations in NYC who have no idea what psytrance is, but who would love it - psychedelic breakbeat adherents, deep house dancers, and others who would love an artist like Talamasca - but who have never been introduced to psytrance as a genre. They still think "trance" is 1990s techno.
If we would bring them in, they would make us a better community. Granted, it wouldn't completely squeeze out the drunken jump-up-and-down feel of a big NYC club, but it would do a lot to help....And it would make us bigger and stronger and happier....
Small trance parties are also amazing and intimate, but don't we really want to expand our world here?? If we want to see a Juno Reactor, a SUN Project, a Talamasca... then we have to accept economic realities, too - and let those realities push us to find more members of our tribe...
So, promoters, the responsibility is yours.
Why not give it a try? Don't be offended - but really, this is your job.
Keep booking the big clubs - but do your part to help us enjoy the shows more. Get more "good" people in there so that we can defend ourselves against the masses!!!
There are lots of ways you can do that.... You are promoters, after all - i'm sure you have many means at your disposal...
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robomarket
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 22:05
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off topic:
"They still think "trance" is 1990s techno. "
When people say "Techno" for what sounds to them "electronicky" or even some more organic, tribal house for instance, i get pissed off. I tell people: please be Politically Correct! You're offending me. Not everything is techno...but unfortunately, it's all Techno to them 
i don't give. i try to educate people. |
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rachel
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 23:03
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so sorry to offend you robomarket... but - in fact - your response hit on exactly my point: many people who would be great additions to the psytrance community haven't yet been introduced to the genre.
So i guess i turn it back on you.... and honestly, considering i'm just trying to make a simple point here, to list all of the subgenres of electronic music would be a bit time-consuming, wouldn't you say? We've all moved into psytrance from different areas of music, haven't we?? ... no disrespect to any of them....
and after all, it's the feel of the club night we're talking about here...and how can we tranceheads enjoy parties in the challenging big club environments...
.. and how can the promoters help us, since they anyway need us - esp in the big clubs - to make their trance nights something more than mainstream events....
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konflux
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 23:16
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if i didn't know the took place in nyc i'd be totally convinced that you're talking about "avalon" in hollywood, ca.
something makes me think that these two venues in the two cities are closely affiliated.
we have the exact same atmosphere at "avalon" here. very un-trance-friendly crowd, no space to dance, pseudo macho boys with playful hands.
a lot of trance heads end up not coming to these kind of parties, even though the artists totally deserve our support and attention. but the crowd there never gets hooked on psy-trance. yes, for them it's cool "techno". that's why producers are now doing remixes of "tainted love" for them making it even closer to their perception and lightening the sound losing psychedelic elements for which we love trance.
 myspace.com/konfluxpsy | www.konfluxmusic.net | PsyTribe | Phar Psyde Recs. | Logical Light Recs.
For CD releases:
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/search.asp?search_str=konflux |
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rachel
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 23:39
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yes, you know the last time i was at Avalon in LA was for FreqNasty - and i guess in tribute to the venue he played a bunch of dancehall remixed breakbeats.. such a unreal experience with only a handful of people in the packed venue who had ever heard of him!
...and to answer your question: this avalon is indeed part of the same chain - LA, Boston, NYC.
So i'm absolutely convinced that we've got to infiltrate these clubs - if they're willing to book our artists, we must be willing to attend!
eeeshhhh.... i'm sounding like a missionary now... one would think i owned shares in their company...! hardly the case...
But i'm going to suffer the horrors of avalon on saturday nite because i must go for Talamasca....his last show here got canned in the middle, and never brought back til now.... and so i hope some of my brothers and sisters can see my point of view - we have to take over that venue, at least a little bit!
power in numbers....
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SpaceShark
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Posted : Sep 21, 2005 01:12
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Rachel,
I agree with you 100% that people need to be introduced to psy-trance, but Avalon is not a correct passage. Konflux also supports my earlier point "the crowd never gets hooked to psy-trance"
And in my personal opinion, this is a wrong way of introducing people to psy-trance. Psy-trance parties are not just listening to a specific genre of music, but a combination of many other aspects: decorations, people, sounds, visual affects, socialization, etc...
If we want to introduce people to psy-trance, we should start with parties where all those things are available.
You're talking about taking over the venue...I see your point, and i really like your enthusiasm, but I just don't see the potential in this particular venue. People that go there, go there every week to get wasted and listen to whatever the dj's are playing.
Rachel, unfortunately we don't have the power in numbers. In fact, the numbers are decreasing.  If I felt for a second that we would have the power, I would be there with you in the front row.
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MuSh
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Posted : Sep 21, 2005 02:31
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i recently spoke with one of the promoters about this problem and our view on such clubs. his exact words speaking about Avalon particularly was this, "...the management has changed, and gradually they are taking all our strong
suggestions very serious."
lets all think positively and hope for the best of change.
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