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thinkingsound
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 19:54:20
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OK East Coast crews, who's gonna add a choice to the 2009 Summer Solstice. It's always just the Four Quarters and it would be nice to start having a choice so more variety can be had. Cheaper would also be nice. Something less progressive please.
It's a special time of year and a change would be lovely. Maybe the four quarters crew could switch dates with another crew so it would allow for someone else to do those dates without a contest. Share the dates for others to offer a solstice. Try it don't be so selfish |
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Lauryn
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 20:24
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To my knowledge, four quarters is not throwing psytrance parties.
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 20:57
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On 2008-11-23 20:24, Lauryn wrote:
To my knowledge, four quarters is not throwing psytrance parties.
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This isn't a rocket science class. Do you honestly have no dam idea who puts the four quarters event on? Do you wish for me to give the name so the coin can be toss in my direction as if I'm attacking them? I know how you hippies like to twist it up.
Its a clean and fair request. Please stop being so dense.
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DanVapid
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 21:14
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ok, so you're looking for a cheap dark party around the time of gaian mind fest? why do you need to know now? and you'd like gaian mind to move their date (which has already been set) to accomodate another party in the region? kind of a weird post dude... |
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 21:40
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On 2008-11-23 21:14, DanVapid wrote:
ok, so you're looking for a cheap dark party around the time of gaian mind fest? why do you need to know now? and you'd like gaian mind to move their date (which has already been set) to accomodate another party in the region? kind of a weird post dude...
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Who said anything about a dark party? Are you judging from the unknown? Whats so weird with crews working with other parties so there can be flavor. That's like saying only the full moon crews can throw full moons. Accommodate what other parties? I haven't seen one posting for events in 2009, which means that its not booked, right? If it where booked would it be such a crime to have another solstice event or is that stepping on someones toes. Every year is a new one and shouldn't get locked down to some type of ownership with dates. hell for Christ sakes due to the world economy it would be nice to go to a solstice that doesn't suck you pockets so dry. I know four quarters takes about 60% of their funds and you would think after 10 years they could of got them to lower their fees so the mind crew could invest into like offering a meal each day to their supporters.
Is the solstice the only dates that the artist can come to America for that event? If so then I'd understand that. However that's not the case and all I'm requesting is choice.
It's called a heads up in the form of a request. If no one ask now then how will other crews know if people would like to have a choice. if they don't know they won't entertain the idea. It's really simple. how in the hell has it already been set when they toy around every year that it may not happen. This is a topic for other crews to see if its affordable to do one the same weekend, after all it is the solstice, not just gaian mind.
Moving the dates is just an idea that leans more towards sharing the universal holiday instead of controlling it. now, whats so weird about that Dan? Sure its a long shot since Americans are so ego filled and so predictable.
If you don't like the idea that's cool but no need to get all defensive and make attempts to make this request so weird.
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Lauryn
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 22:28
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Maybe you should throw a solstice party somewhere outside the U.S. so you don't have to deal with all the ego and predictability......
Anyone is free to throw a party anywhere whenever they want. No one controls anything. If you don't like it, don't go.
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 23:00
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I do simply because it's the only party going on unless you live on the West Coast or Texas.
Please, will one of the many crews on the East Coast please please offer an alternative with some new ideas please. if it needs to be all dark then do it although i don't believe there are any crews but maybe one in NYC that even do dark. Its something different and allows via satellite artist performances from other event to offer unity link ups from via.
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 23:11
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us scene has way too much ego and predicability lauryn
and it also has way too much ritalin up its nose if u know what im talking about
why does everyone on this forum get attacked when trying to express an opinion
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EG-BOT
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 23:17
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On 2008-11-23 23:00, thinkingsound wrote:
Its something different and allows via satellite artist performances from other event to offer unity link ups from via.
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makes sense to me 
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mubali
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 06:22
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Considering that Gaian mind has been doing this event for a very very long time, I'm sure most other event crews would consider it to be ill advised to create another event that same weekend. From the time that I have spent abroad these past few years, the gaian mind festival is one of the few US based festivals that people both know about and have even a slight interest in coming to. For sure they've had their problems, but just based upon my festival experiences in Europe this year, not so much worse than many other festivals that have happened. I honestly don't really understand what the problem is. If you don't have an interest in what gaian mind is doing for the solstice, go have a party with some friends in the forest somewhere... good old DIY... make an Antigaian mind or something if you feel that strongly.... But I think asking them to move the date of their already well established festival is akin to asking that the burning man festival be moved to a weekend other than labor day so someone else could make a party or goa gil not to have his memorial day meltdown so you could do a party on your own.
BTW, for all of you saying too much ego and predictablity in the US scene.... take a step back and ask this question... is it just in the us or is it too much as a whole? Ego is part of humanity... This losing the ego thing is just a buzzword, I am sure many wouldn't know if they lost your ego even if it was connected to their bank account. The key is balance... love yourself, but love others just as much, etc... A lot of the metaphysical undertones used nowadays are just regurgitated psychobabble that paupers use to charm the young and clouded.
Finally, as to why it seems like people are quick to jump on someone's case, here's a couple of reasons...
1. It's a frackin internet forum, nobody here has anything else better to do. (including me)
2. There also is something to be said about the old guard..... Of course there's always this push to have new people do new things and all that, but whatever happened to someone doing something right on a semi consistent basis. Say what you want about the price, gaian mind has consistently put together a festival with one of the smallest trance community populations for quite a while now. Why alter a tradition that works well for all who devote their time into this event? What bothers me is the fact that the poster knows enough not to ask for a different party to happen at the same time, but asks that the gaian mind crew not throw their festival on the weekend they have been for a while now. I dunno if you know anything about paganism, but for those who are into metaphysics, having a party on the summer solstice on pagan land is pretty cool... I am sure that if gaian mind didn't happen there then, there would still be some sort of crazy gathering happening.
This is becoming one big ramblefest, so I'll leave it with this.... There's a big difference between what we like to call festival and actual festivals, and to do an actual festival costs money. You don't wanna be broke on the solstice, fine.... but if you expect the type of scale anywhere close to what gaian mind is doing, you're not gonna get that for cheap.
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 07:40
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Well hopefully with that type of commit maybe they may allow mubali and more artist of his caliber to play as a headliner. Antigaian isn't the goal in my request.
I thought Beltane was the super shpongle of holidays for them pagans.
Burning Man has plenty of Burn copycats to not worry about sharing an American holiday. Solstice is not the same type of weekend. Labor day is just a Monday off work. To my understanding Memorial day meltdown weekend is one of the only dates that artist has a time allowance which makes it plausible and is a topic I have already hit on that would be a good reason for no change.
Ego is part of humanity however isn't it about time us humans embrace this Collective Consciousness and start walking the talk instead of making it the escape goat for our faults.
Didn't the Americans vote for change? How about a solstice on node land which would also be an Earth religion type gathering if the Americans need to keep riding that spiritual wagon of talk.
If we're talking anti then what would be some good artist to book that would make it an anti event?
What artist would like to be seen during the solstice that four quarters will not bring. That would be balance instead of using negative words like anti. Every year the crew could change instead of the event so everyone in the family can offer the experience of Solstice.
When a USA party makes over $100,000 in tickets sales and a gate price of $130 is not cheap. Look at BOOM festival, gate price is double the price and you get over 700 artist in one of the most expensive parts of the World. They even skip a year so other crews can exercise those dates. Go figure that out America. Why do other countries look down at Americans? Get off your knees.
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so_sedated
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 07:41
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As far as cheap goes, I think my ticket was $95 or so for Wed-Sunday? I can't imagine it being able to be much cheaper than that... |
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mubali
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 07:17
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Beltane is one of many holidays used in the pagan calendar, some of which have been renamed to other holidays and whatnot... As being the grand pubah of holidays, it's hard to honestly say. Oddly enough, the Gaian mind crew seems to bring a bit of everything, trying to keep the lineup somewhat balanced... It would be nice to have some more heavy headliners, but to be honest, there's a lot of djs in country that can really work the nighttime relatively well, so importing a wide range of artists not only seems intellingent, but respectful for the crowd as well.
As for the comparisons between boom and gaian mind, there really is no comparison.
One of the reasons why Boom festival works the way that it does is because people from all over the world are willing to travel and pay double the price for it. It didn't start off by making a festival like that with that sheer size and that caliber of a lineup right from the first year... it's an evolution. Gaian mind is doing the same, and musically I would say that the flow at boom was relatively similar to what happens at gaian mind... not so much real nighttime madness, but a good representation of all the sounds. Another issue that separates boom and gaian mind is the cost to put on the event. For instance, when you get offered to play, if you are from somewhere far away (i.e. outside Europe) they usually don't pay for your plane ticket to Europe. Once you get to Europe, then they can usually fly you from anywhere, but initial cost if you live far away even if you are booked to play is on you. Since psy lost it's foothold at Burningman, this doesn't happen in the states.
Not to mention 1,200 vs 30,000? and all a high percentage of that 30,000 paying the full amount or close to it?
I don't know if you went to boom this past year, but there were a lot of cool and a lot of uncool things there, and I guarantee that if boom did a party annually, the amount of people interested in spending that type of money in that environment will significantly decrease... as it is there were a lot of people who couldn't or decided not to attend but that amount were offset by the addition of multiple genres at boom... A lot of the purists were pissed, but in the end many seemed to enjoy something a bit different.
Fact of the matter is, festivals are very expensive and take a hell of a lot of planning to pull off properly. Considering another major festival that is psytrance oriented and has had as long of a run as gaian mind is the Gemini festival in Cali. Mind you, this usually happens the week before gaian mind, so if you really want an alternative, there it is. It's even a free party and it usually has a different musical feel to it than gaian mind. But I assume that since you're complaining about gaian mind being expensive, you wouldn't be that willing to come to California and experience this event.
Another point to reference, America didn't vote for change, America voted for anyone other than the pasty white guy that we feel is responsible for us being the black sheep of the international community. As much hope as I have for a new way of doing things, I was a lobbyist in my teenage years and they system never actually changes, just the fascade.
as to the burn copycats as you state, I'm not sure if you are referring to the regional burning man events that are held not by copycats, but by people who wanted to take some aspects of the festival and have it a bit more close to a comfortable climate. I hardly call it a copycat if it's an offshoot of the original and has the ok to even use the name... I call that expansion, and actually is similar to what you want without having to dispute about a date set by successful traditon.
You want something different musically and financially, that's fine. The question is, can you or are you willing to invest your personal time, energy, and money into creating something different and just as beneficial to people? And if you do that, and what you receive doesn't cover what you spent, would you do it again? How many times would you do this?
If you're serious about this, then you really need to do some research on the economics behind throwing events, there are a lot of intangibles that drive the cost up severely, but what is worse than the cost is the people's response when there's corners cut on the production. I am all for alternatives, I'm just not down for any so'n'so that has no experience doing a large event trying to do a festival. It's a waste of time and money.
Lastly, I feel that some of the tone behind some of your statements is akin to being hit by a baseball bat. It's gets your point across fine, but not too many of the neighborhood kids would play with you afterwards. There are other solstice parties in this country, probably a couple in Canada too if you were interested. Irregardless, the gaian mind festival is a large one, and I am almost willing to wager that many people would still want to do that on the solstice than something with someone they don't really know about. Not to mention... did you bother to even ask the gaian mind crew if they were interested in moving their date? I'm sure if you made a viable alternative that made sense, it might even work out properly. But honestly all I am seeing is a complaint without a solution, and that means about as much as a fart in a methane factory.
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robomarket
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 09:12
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On 2008-11-23 20:24, Lauryn wrote:
To my knowledge, four quarters is not throwing psytrance parties.
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This isn't a rocket science class. Do you honestly have no dam idea who puts the four quarters event on? Do you wish for me to give the name so the coin can be toss in my direction as if I'm attacking them? I know how you hippies like to twist it up.
Its a clean and fair request. Please stop being so dense.
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Hi trick. how are you doing? i can smell your corpse all over cyberspace. NO there will NOT be any psy at 4 quarters.
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 11:41
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I must of missed something. My charts read that you have never stepped foot on Four Quarters land. Its a great sales pitch for which is totally a tangent from me just asking for more choices, you may have earned yourself an extra gig in the states. if you play there then part of my request will be met. Hopefully you wont be alienated like Derango would of been. What that means is hopefully your not the only heavy headliner.
The rest of the info is just one big ramble fest as you said, which is filled with lots of points that are highly debatable.
No wonder Boom can have such a cheap ticket price for offering over 700 artist. I wonder since four quarters is so grand if the headliners they pick would pay their own ways to play? Did you get the chance to go across the lake at Boom to visit the other party that was free? It had some great music at times just like Boom.
I'm sorry to have given the thought I was complaining about it being expensive which it is at $145 gate price with just a few red carpet artist that are single focused towards progg. The other choice could be half that price. Me do it? I just support events by going and dancing. Although I'm not bad with Math which seems to be where the expense would go. How many work hands would be needed to pull it off? Who knows of land that can be leased on the East? who has a sound system to use? what should the budget be set at? $10,000, $20,000 or whatever. I guess this is kinda how you would start the ball rolling.
Does it need to be that stressful if your intentions isn't to make it to the Superbowl or get recognize across the world just to celebrate the solstice? More like a people party instead of some crew would be the ticket. I just realized if it where a people party and if everyone put funds in to get supplies it would be free. Supplies being everything needed. This is where that ego filled and predictability issue would kick in. No way the Americans could pull that off.
lets say that the 1200 peeps that went last year all came together and put $50 down to put on a people party there would be $60,000 cash to play with. so they have a templet to work by that covers all corners from lineup to restrooms with a voting system to work out flavor and ego. would $60,000 be enough? I guess after loosing 10 pounds through bowel movements all over the land last year kinda took me to a place of change. A message or hint sorta say.
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