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LisergicDreamer
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Posted : Jul 16, 2013 21:21:55
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Hi everybody...i'm kinda new about music production and i use ableton as DAW...i'm having many troubles with bass compression.
i understand that compression is very important to reach a good bass sound...i'm tryng to install waves audio bundle to use c-4 multiband compressor...but seems that there's no way to make it work on albeton...anyone can suggest me a good way to make it work on ableton or another good multiband compressor? thanx a lot guys |
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freez
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Posted : Jul 16, 2013 22:13
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Hey man.
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It's not very important. your patch or sample is far more important.
And if you are new to music production forget about multiband compressors.. IMO
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Agorit
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Posted : Jul 16, 2013 22:13
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what happen when u install waves?
if u use windows, tryin turn off UAC(user account control), restart your pc and then install waves. |
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knocz
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Posted : Jul 16, 2013 22:20
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On 2013-07-16 21:21:55, LisergicDreamer wrote:
i understand that compression is very important to reach a good bass sound...
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Good. But do you understand why compression can be important?
Try understanding what each knob of a compressor does (there not that many), what it does to the audio signal and how that affects how you listen.
Also, the sound source is way more important than compression, so it's not the compressor that will turn it into a great bass, but the bass sound itself 
The C4 is a great compressor, but way too much for what you need (it's not the C4 that's going to make your bass huge!), and the Ableton compressors are more than enough. Nevertheless, it should work flawlessly in Ableton (I've used it in the past). Also, I'd stay from multi-band compressors, particularly while designing a sound and when you just want a great bass and hear it should be compressed - use a normal compressor, it should work wonders.
Also, in many beats I only use a beat buss compressor, this is, a compressor on the kick + bass sum audio channel, not on the individual sounds.
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 20:54
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isnt there like a mother of all compression thread? |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 21:08
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if you're new to ableton and production...don't worry about compression at all. It is a confusing thing to try to learn even when you have a good base of knowledge to draw from and it takes a couple of months if not years in order to develop your ear enough to hear the compression and what settings are appropriate for your material.
My advice? Worry about other things for the moment. Learn how to program a synth and make it sound good without any compression, learn how to navigate ableton's interface, learn how to utilize Racks/Groups, learn how to utilize the MIDI Effects like the arpeggiator, the chord/scale device, etc.
In a couple of months once you have gotten a hang of these more essential tools you can start going for more exotic ones like compression.
ESPECIALLY if you don't have a good monitoring environment...compression is just going to muddy up and confuse things for you.
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Fakso
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 22:34
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I join the others here, even without compression it is possible to get a more than decent bass
What's also very important (I found our very late) for a nice bass sound is distortion to fatten it up, make it more crisp and even more present
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Upavas
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 23:28
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The by far most important thing is your bass, without compression, it's amplitude envelope, it's wave form, it's filter settings, it's filter envelope, it's tonal height, the wave forms length!
After that the second most important thing is your eq settings of the bass. The filtering out of nasty and resonating frequencies, and by filtering out I don't mean getting rid of all of it period, some of that stuff is actually needed, so there needs to be a balance there. Just like there needs to be a balance in your filter settings and envelope settings which once more is the most important thing.
After those components are mastered, go for compression, find out what attack does, what release does, what the threshold is, how different ratios affect the sound. This is the way I would go...
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LisergicDreamer
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 20:31
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@Agorit: when i install waves bundle and i put the dll into the VST folder the program says: "waveshell can't find the vst"...very strange...i read there are some compatibility issues between ableton and waves...
thanx everybody for helping and for suggestions...they are GOLD for me...i'm using alien 303 because i think is very easy and good for a beginner like me... and i'm going to achieve decent bass i think... but i'm quite far to have what i want from a bassline...i must keep on work it and with your suggestions i think i can improve the quality a lot!!!I will try some other plungins like vb-1 or cronox... now i have a new point of view when i synth my bass...thanx guys you are helping me a lot!!! |
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knocz
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 21:05
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On 2013-07-18 20:31, LisergicDreamer wrote:
i'm using alien 303 because i think is very easy and good for a beginner like me... and i'm going to achieve decent bass i think...
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 You can also try their follow up plug-in, it's a better Alien 303: the G-Sonique ultrabass
http://www.g-sonique.com/ultrabassmx.html
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Fakso
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 22:06
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On 2013-07-18 20:31, LisergicDreamer wrote:
thanx everybody for helping and for suggestions...they are GOLD for me...i'm using alien 303 because i think is very easy and good for a beginner like me... and i'm going to achieve decent bass i think... but i'm quite far to have what i want from a bassline...i must keep on work it and with your suggestions i think i can improve the quality a lot!!!I will try some other plungins like vb-1 or cronox... now i have a new point of view when i synth my bass...thanx guys you are helping me a lot!!!
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Seriously, in my opinion you should make your bass with a decent subtractive synth too, I mean you need it for leads and other stuff too, why not learn to make a bass there too, as far as I can remember the 303 does not give you that much control over the bass sound than a normal synth does
check out sylenth1 maybe, it's the easiest subtractive synth I've seen so far, well I learned to program synths with it and I still stick to it because of the easy editing/programming
forgot to mention: it all takes time till you'll get real decent sounds you are really satisfied with I guess, this was true for me and for other people too I guess, experience is a lot in music production and you will slowly gain while doing stuf like programming synths and so on https://soundcloud.com/noordzee-laborant |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 23:51
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Try a slow(ish) attack of around 20ms. Reason for this is that by allowing the transient to pass through, you control how much click the bassline is going to have and have the initial bass of the bass note, punch through for a tiny bit before the compressor, slams down on the body/tail of the bass (thus actually reducing the bottom end).
A good ratio to start is 4:1, that is for every 4dB that go into the compressor the output of the compressor will yield 1dB of increase.
You want the fastest release setting you can have for a 16th bassline. A slow release time will not allow the compressor to "rest" to 0 gain reduction and go through the original attack phase again. Additionally when the bassline parts stops for whatever time you set it to, the first incoming note will be significantly louder than what your pattern was playing before.
The "knee" is how abrupt the compressor will effect the signal once it has gone over the threshold and past the attack time you've dialed in.
Make up gain, is like another fader after the compression process, to bring up the level to where you want it to, once it has been reduced.
This might be a bit too much information to take in at once, so add any questions here to help you understand things better.
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Agorit
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Posted : Jul 19, 2013 01:58
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On 2013-07-18 20:31, LisergicDreamer wrote:
@Agorit: when i install waves bundle and i put the dll into the VST folder the program says: "waveshell can't find the vst"...very strange...i read there are some compatibility issues between ableton and waves...
thanx everybody for helping and for suggestions...they are GOLD for me...i'm using alien 303 because i think is very easy and good for a beginner like me... and i'm going to achieve decent bass i think... but i'm quite far to have what i want from a bassline...i must keep on work it and with your suggestions i think i can improve the quality a lot!!!I will try some other plungins like vb-1 or cronox... now i have a new point of view when i synth my bass...thanx guys you are helping me a lot!!!
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I had compatibility problems too. However, after I have disabled UAC windows to install waves, the problem disappeared.
Try this. If you don't know how to do, let me know what your windows, I can write a step-by-step. |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Jul 20, 2013 03:20
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use no compression just make good patch and properly EQ it |
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Domi
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Posted : Jul 20, 2013 16:32
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this is a typical compression thread,
a lot of different answers..
when you have a 120ms long bass note
the sounds are so many , you should have a compressor for every 20ms...
cause you want the attack to be fine , the bass to be maybe compact and long release. solve how to design the audio
https://soundcloud.com/twonzero-progressive/twonezero-alienpast-soon-on |
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