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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 20:35
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On 2008-06-06 14:03, Audioholic wrote:
hi, i am new to the Forum.I can explain u all secrets abt Bass and Subbass and roomacoustics etc...
I am a HiFi/HighEnd Speaker Designer for abt 35 years + a Bassplayer since that time (1973)+ i did one of the first native 5.1 DTS Cds in 2002 (i mixed and produced it, some friends did the musical part).
So just for information to known my experience in Audio.
Here are the perfect definitions:
Infrabass 10-20Hz (used in Films for shaking effects, Dino stomping etc)
Subbass is 20Hz-40 Hz (my subs can do that without problem in your home at abt 105db)
Bass is from abt 40 Hz to 200 Hz (that what u know as the Instrument)
Guitar starts at abt 80Hz
So believe me, more than 80 Hz is NOT Bass and should be described as LOW Mids!
The wave theorie is wrong in rooms because less than wavelength is called nearfield and what u hear is Air pressure changes NOT electrical waves...
Proof : have u ever heard Kickass Deep bass in a Car HifI and a Space of 1,5mx1mx1m ???
So u CAN hear deepest Bass in small rooms, and the good thing its a nearfield bass so its pretty good in sound.
Standingwaves still occur and destroy the good tight and fast Bass Sound. But thats another discussion (we should do that separate cuz its kinda complicated)
When i show my customers the potential of my High End Speakers and Subwoofers i use AVRATZ from Infected Mushroom.
I CUT my subwoofers active 4th order at 44-50 Hz Lowpass!!! The sats can handle easily fom 40Hz -20khz with high efficiency.
This piece of Music is a reference for electronic Bass at different frequencies because u have several Bassfreqencies and "deep Sounds" layered...
It can sound very tight deep and fast if u have High End Audio equipment.
i am from Germany, so sorry for some bad english....
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cheers man
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 20:40
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 20:50
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On 2008-06-06 20:19, Psytracked wrote:
Re-read the thread.
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Nothing there about what i asked you.
It seems to me you just dont know the awnser to what actually causes the half lambda phenomenon.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 21:01
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On 2008-06-06 20:19, Psytracked wrote:
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Nothing there about what i asked you.
It seems to me you just dont know the awnser to what actually causes the half lambda phenomenon.
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Your right......everything I said is absolute bullshit............all of it.
you should give out stethoscopes to everyone to help them better improve their sub bass on their budget monitors in untreated spaces....I'm sure we can look forward to a rapid turn around in production quality.
Peace be with you 
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 21:37
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sorry maybe i am too old for all of u....
i stopped my psychodrugs using already in 1973 seems some of u still turn on and drop out but never tuned in...
Ok, i am out of the discussion, psychoacoustics are a NON Factor here.
I can proof! very simple that a 15-20 Liter speaker is able to produce a hearable!!!!
30 Hz sinewave in a short 1-2 m distance.
BUT for shure it cant do high soundpressure! read what i said, it will be around 80 dB and then u have mechanical problems with the 8" drivers.
Here for more advanced users:
http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm
Handle with care! Start at lowest volumes and increase until u can hear 30Hz.
U need a non filtered Speaker with at least 8" woofer and u can hear 30-35 Hzt very clear (but not earthshaking)...
If u try deeper frequencies
watch woofer cone excursion!!!
it should be LESS than 6-12mm (1/4")
u cant achieve any deep bass from less than 7"woofers or u use lots of small drivers (like 8x 5" woofers).
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 21:41
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I have tried with the speaker you have mentioned and it won't do it....thats just the reality of the situation.
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:22
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My most sincere apologies. It seems that my behaviour towards shamantrixx has given Psytracked the wrong impression entirely. The impression he seems to have taken is that it is OK to be a jerk without actually substantiating one's claims or giving clear explanations of the logical train of thoughts that has brought one to the conclusions supporting one's claims or, at the very least, infusing the whole proceeding with a healthy dosage of humour. Of course nothing of the sort is true.
Psytracked, you need to stop snorting all that cocaine. It is making you arrogant way beyond your abilities to warrant such arrogance. Also, it seems to be disrupting the ossicular chain in your middle ear to such a point that you can not perceive sub-bass. Even in an anechoic chamber.
You seem to be quite confused about your position in the world. On the one hand you were manufacturing and distributing high end turntables in the 90'ies, you have worked for Meridian, Mission and b&W yet your still need to consult your university text books about the most basic aspects of sound. You are surrounded by high end gear yet only 6 months ago you were still saving up for a pair Dynaudio BM6's. Very strange.
You are also very confused about what you are saying. One moment you say one can't hear it. The next you say we can't perceive it's pitch. What is next?
Audioholic, it seems we have a pretty similar definition of the frequencies.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:25
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I don't take cocaine you presumptive little cunt..........stop jerking off to your own posts.......like you gave me the wrong impression to do anything............and then you call me arrogant.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:27
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I now work in industry as a mix engineer.....I have just finished my MA in music technology here at London College of music........and yes I used to work in the hifi industry........yes I am a mature student.......so I'll let you do the maths.
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Audioholic
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:29
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dont tell me Behringer 2031 are really THAT bad
i cant believe it ..
honestly u know that as an experienced HiFi Fan i do not necessarily suggest those lowbudget speakers (BUT, if u are low on money they are maybe the best u can get). I am surrounded from better and much bigger stuff.
We had those big 2 way Genelec in the 5.1 mixing besides my own very expensive speakers...
i still belive that other can try my suggestion and hear what i mean...
Its just a theoretical suggestion because i thought most guys here use Monitors similar to those Behringers (or Alesis... you name it)..
Anyone burned the CD and tried the 30 Hz track already on his speakers?
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:33
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there not mine, they are my girlfriends. they are awful speakers. talk about too much treble. My 824s are fine for it.
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:37
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That's a shame. I thought you might have had an excuse for your behaviour and hearing impairment. I guess not then...
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:42
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undertow u mixed my history with his, that was a Private message i sent him to explain him/the Hifi specialist) i am not a newbie or salesman i am developer of speakersystem with lots of very good reviews in the last 25 years in german HiFi press...
I stopped the business in late 90s and went into retire situation. I just work few hours per week for my living and do my Forum for my ex customer.
I came here to find new inspirations in Music , one of my customers brought Shpongle and Inf. Mushrooms records to my Showroom where everybody can hear my Speakers. We had a 2 hr 110dB listening session , i liked that stuff and now im addicted to Psytrance. Funny thing is, later in Inet googling Shpongle i recognized a lot of old guys like RAJA RAM ...
i used to listen to his Quintessence records when i was young. Guys i was listening to KRAFTWERK at the age of 16 on stage (it was possible in those times!) and that sound blwe my mind! It was 1971 since then i was (am) addicted to electronic SOUNDS. I just wanted to share some of my knowledge/experience with You... I hope its helpful. I dont wanna fight...
Love and Peace
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 6, 2008 22:46
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On 2008-06-06 22:37, UnderTow wrote:
That's a shame. I thought you might have had an excuse for your behaviour and hearing impairment. I guess not then...
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I have an excuse undertow.....http://www.whatacunt.co.uk/
Whats yours?
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